I hope we won't revisit this topic again.
Posts from Player rating for tournaments across all installments of Heroes.
Which rating system should I choose? (see the text for details)
Ah... naive... I know someone who I think would like to argue... :D
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Okay, which rating should we use? Should we simply use the final blitz rating as an indicator of experience? This would be closer to the traditional rating calculation scheme.
The file with the table is located at post #521
Sincerely.
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The oscillator makes it clear. I'm just using the blitz results as "data" to inform our approach to existing tournaments. This will make everything simpler and clearer for those who haven't followed the lengthy discussions.
In the first column, write "Blitz Rating".
No, there's no need to confuse anyone...
In the first column, write "Blitz Rating".
Well, they will probably choose the best all-rounder... i.e., the one with the highest overall rating.
IronAxe's rating does not differentiate between participants with the same number of days, but with DIFFERENT places, which is not only illogical but also reduces the importance of more popular stages (especially the top three) where the results are predictably closer.
Therefore, we ask the organizers to clarify the situation.
Then which of them will be after 10 stages?
And what about the serious shortcomings of these rankings mentioned above? Perhaps the organizers should come up with a unified scoring system specifically for multi-stage Tournaments, one that would not have at least obvious contradictions?
And either suggest your own option or support one of the existing ones.
Sincerely.
I didn't understand the question.
So, either suggest your own option or support one of the existing ones.
50 ranking points are awarded based on the VDV Forever system.
50 ranking points are awarded based on the IronAxe system (days * 50).
This way, the requirements for differentiating participants with the same number of days and the additivity of the stage results will be met. Moreover, this system is easy to use and understand (ranking for placement + ranking for days). The addition for progress in a multi-stage tournament proposed by AlexeyPank is not acceptable.
Let me clarify. Which of the rankings will be used to determine the final distribution of places?
I think we can only answer this closer to the end of the Tournaments.
Okay, here’s a specific proposal. Combine the ratings from IronAxe and VDV Forever in a 1:1 ratio.
50 rating points are awarded according to the VDV Forever system.
50 rating points are awarded according to the IronAxe system (days * 50).
In this way, the requirements for differentiating participants with the same number of days and the additivity of stage results will be met. Moreover, such a system is easy to use and understand (rating for place + rating for days). The addition proposed by AlexeyPank for progress in a multi-stage tournament is not acceptable.
I have the impression that you didn't:mad: :mad:
Firstly, tell me what the fundamental difference is between your system and an oscillator?
Secondly, all discussions about the ranking should take place in the topic mentioned above.
P.S. I understand that reading 500 posts can be tedious, but if you want to talk about the ranking, you must definitely read this topic.
Sincerely.
Comrade, are you sure you read the entire thread?
I have the impression that you didn't.
Firstly: tell me what the fundamental difference is between your system and the oscillator?
1. The linear part of the oscillator's rating depends on the total number of participants N as (n-1)/(N-1). But in VDV Forever, the dependence is ONLY on the occupied place.
2. With a given number of participants (as a parameter), the linear rating decreases according to a linear law, i.e., the difference between 1st and 2nd place is the same as between 11th and 12th, which is not good, but in VDV Forever, the difference between 1st and 2nd will be greater than between 11th and 12th.
Secondly: all discussions about the rating should be held in the above-mentioned topic.
You confused me; is it not obvious? And the differences between the two are absolutely fundamental:
1. The linear part of the rating depends on the total number of participants N as (n-1)/(N-1). But in VDV Forever, the dependence is ONLY on the position occupied.
2. With a given number of participants (as a parameter), the linear rating decreases linearly, i.e., the difference between 1st and 2nd place is the same as between 11th and 12th, which is not good. In VDV Forever, the difference between 1st and 2nd will be greater than between 11th and 12th.
In essence:
The proposal is not without merit; that is a fact.
The idea of introducing a non-linear component into the linear part needs to be considered.
I don't quite like the fact that the numbers in this non-linear part (depending on the position) are taken arbitrarily...
But I like the idea itself.
50 rating points are awarded according to the VDV Forever system.
50 rating points are awarded according to the IronAxe system (ratio of days * 50).
It's just that the 100-point system is somehow more familiar...
Sincerely.
