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Heroin_HP
Good point, but there are some issues. First is the players' own desire to stream; you can't force everyone. Second, you need good and stable internet, so that nothing drops and there's a possibility for a quality stream. You also need devices that meet the requirements for a quality stream.
Since there were indeed many viewers and interested people, which is good, it makes sense to increase the visibility of this tournament.
Accordingly, if you think it through properly and prepare before the start of the tournament, it could turn out very cool.
For example, there are two people (one can't handle it if there are a couple of central matches in the first round) who are going to the championship with the goal of streaming. Their task is to set up streams and commentate interestingly, conduct interviews, provide analysis — in general, a whole bunch of things, this goes into the planning section. It would also be good if these are well-known, knowledgeable players who, for some reason, are not playing in this particular championship or have ended their careers.
:) From the organizers, you need that very internet, whatever it costs. There's also the issue with a relay from the players, somehow setting up the retransmission properly.
IMHO, the result will be — excellent visibility, cool streams, a ton of positivity, donations (for streamer motivation). In general, something like that; if the organizers and streamers have the desire, it's in the bag.

P.S. Congratulations to all finalists on the victory!
The Pole is a really cool guy; at 19 he didn't chicken out after all the moments on HeroesWorld with Cobra and Lizard (and even beat him in Heroes — he's an artist; if he went a bit further, he really punished him further and also took care of another young guy — put everything in its place, Polish revenge for the last championship :smile54: ) came to another country, didn't notice anyone until the final, and if there were more prize money in the first place, who knows what tricks he would have pulled — these are Heroes after all, in short, a cool guy!
Is that really you? ;)
Now on to the questions.
The issue of internet and streams from well-known streamers was discussed before the tournament. Internet costs money, and a lot of it. Streamers come to play and have fun, and if they stream (and streaming is also work for them), they want money. It all comes down to money, which either the organizer(s) have to invest — that's 100k+ for everything — or collect from those who want to watch the streams.
But as it is, everyone is for constant streams with commentary, etc.
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Nagan-4
Did you guys make a pact or something? On Friday, one of my overly enthusiastic friends spent a long time telling me how upset he was about Russia. On Saturday, another gentleman told me he was upset about freedom and democracy. Today, you're upset about the heroic spirit. It seems like the weather is affecting everyone. :)

iDD already knows exactly what's at play in this situation. But this very same factor prevents him from acknowledging and remembering it. :D
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Dirty_Player
This year, the internet connection was good, but we still need to remember that we were in the forest, where even MTS doesn't have coverage, and we were playing via Wi-Fi, on laptops. It was noticeable that the broadcast lagged significantly in the final, so talking about streaming all games is still premature. But in any case, there were consistently a couple of streams, so there is progress.

In a couple of decades, it will be possible to stream all matches properly :D
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Not very epic
In another couple of decades, we'll be able to stream all the matches properly :D
Indeed!

P.S.: I've added the results of all the tournament matches to the second post for historical purposes! :smile23:
If anyone finds a mistake, please let me know.
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iDD
Is that really you? ;)
Let's move on to the questions.
The issue of internet and streaming from well-known streamers was discussed before the tournament. Internet costs money, and a lot of it. Streamers come to play and have fun, but if they're streaming (which is also work for them), they want to be paid. It all comes down to money, which either the organizer(s) have to invest (which would be 100k+ for everything) or raise from those who want to watch the streams.
But everyone is in favor of regular streams with commentary, etc.

Well, then we can start organizing a donation goal/open a fund (for clumsy hands) for next year right now, since the numbers are so big. But there need to be guarantees that the money won't end up in other people's hands. This is the line between an international tournament, which is the central and largest one, at least in Russia, and just a friendly get-together where people come to drink, relax, and just meet up.
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Neurotepichno
Well, then we can start organizing a donation drive/open a fund (for clumsy hands) for next year right now, since the numbers are so big. But there should be guarantees that the money won't end up in other hands.
Honestly, I don't quite understand how to organize a decent internet connection in the forest, many kilometers from the city - that's one thing. Also, you need decent computers, because laptops don't always meet the necessary requirements - that's two.
Neurotepichno
All of this is the line between an international tournament, which is the central and largest one, at least in Russia, or just a friendly get-together that came to drink, relax, and just meet up.
In serious tournaments, there are federations and sponsors. But as long as everything is organized with the money of the participants and the organizer, it will be a friendly get-together.
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The federations aren't in a hurry to support us, even though there are people from the Heroes community among them.


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Dirty_Player
To be honest, I don't quite understand how to organize a decent internet connection in the forest, many kilometers away from the city – that's one thing. Also, you need good computers, because laptops don't always meet the necessary requirements – that's two. In serious tournaments, there are federations and sponsors. But for now, everything is organized with the money of the participants and the organizer – it will be a friendly gathering.

Well, we've come to the questions, so we need to choose a location based not only on convenience, but also on the availability of a good internet connection; I understand that there are few such places. But that's what the voting for the CIS location is for. The availability of computers is a problem, but it's solvable. At least, renting them hasn't been prohibited yet. As for sponsors, things are too unstable here. An event that takes place once a year... but I think we'll have enough support from the audience for now. If we start acting right now.
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iDD
Is that really you? ;)
Now, regarding the issues:
The issue of internet access and streaming by well-known streamers was discussed before the tournament. Internet access costs money, and a lot of it. Streamers come to play and have fun, but if they stream (and streaming is also work for them), they want to be paid. It all comes down to money, which either the organizer(s) must invest (which would be 100k+ for everything) or collect from those who want to watch the streams.
But everyone is in favor of regular streams with commentary, etc.

What does the 100k include? We need to move in the direction of "stream = donation," and again, it will all depend on the streamers who promote the game. For example, if donations are enabled for not only travel expenses for CIS players but also for the broadcasts over a couple of months, if they are willing to do so, and I don't mean to offend anyone. Plus, donations from the CIS region itself, plus some other fundraising from everyone who wants to contribute, including the organizers, including you, Dendroid, in short, a little from everyone, and that's how we'll get to 100k. The main thing is to promote this in advance, using everything and every channel possible, we need marketing. And in the end, it will be a plus.
Regarding the streamers, it would be good if they were not participants in the tournament, plus, they should be people who are prepared for this, not just come and start streaming and comment on the fly, but create some kind of streaming program and, in addition to advertising before the championship from the streamers, plus HW and everything else, it could attract not 600-700 people, but more. Doubling that would already be great. In short, Tvarine needs to take care of this; he's a professional streamer and knows better how to promote it, and he should come and stream himself; then everything will definitely work out. :cool:
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Heroin_HP
In short, Tvarine should take care of this:cool:
We found the recipe for success :D
Коротко о себе: спесивый сноб
Чуть длиннее: Фонд Дендроидов
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На ощупь пьют эльфийские стрелки!
Нам это идеально подходит (c)
Это вам не шутки - нажрался Дуст в маршрутке! (с)
Пишите на [email protected]
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Neurotypical
Well, that brings us to the questions, so we need to choose a venue based not only on convenience.
Why sacrifice the convenience of a venue for a friendly get-together? IMO, rinks from HeroesWorld online tournaments are no worse than rinks from the CIS.
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iDD
We found the recipe for success :D
Creature + EVERYTHING, and you'll have exactly what you need.
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Heroin_HP
What does 100k include? We need to move in the direction of streaming = donations; again, everything will depend on the streamers who promote the game. If, for example, donations are enabled not only for travel within the CIS but also for broadcasts within a couple of months, if they are willing to do so, and I didn't want to offend anyone, plus donations from the CIS itself + some other fundraising from everyone who wants to contribute, and also from the organizers, from Dendroid, in short, a little from everyone, and that's how we'll get to 100k. The main thing is to promote this in advance, using everything possible and everywhere, marketing is needed. And in the end, it will be a plus.
Regarding the streamers, it would be good if they were not participants in the tournament, + people who are prepared for this, not just coming to start a stream and comment as they go, but to create some kind of stream program and, in addition, advertise before the championship, + HW and everything else, which could bring in not 600-700 people, but more. Doubling that would already be great. In short, Tvarine needs to take care of this; he's a professional streamer and knows better how to promote it, and he should come and stream himself; then everything will definitely work out. :cool:

+1, these should definitely not be streamers. Secondly, the connection should not be through TV; otherwise, the picture will ruin the whole impression. And it's not necessary to stream all the games of the first/second round. Two central matches will be enough. For example, 2 people in total, one person per game, and closer to the final, they will start commenting together. Let's take 100k as an example; for two people + providing internet access, I think that will be more than enough.
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100,000 is an arbitrary number; a smaller amount would suffice. The total prize pool for the tournament doesn't always reach that figure.


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KobRa_RR
100k is an arbitrary number; even less would suffice. The total prize pool for the tournament doesn't always reach that amount.
Well, yes, 100k is based on the idea of covering travel, accommodation, and food expenses for one or two people, and also paying them for their work. That's not a bad opportunity for someone to travel. However, they should consider it as a job rather than a way to have fun. Another option could be to organize a kind of contest. For example, throughout the year, anyone interested could occasionally stream, play/stream other people's games, discuss, and engage in dialogue with viewers. Then, through a popular vote, we could select the best two and send them to the event.