Taking of the Necropolis [COMPLETE EDITION] — Reference materials for online players.

R55Max

13 years ago

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Oelm

There's a different thing going on there. For example, if you take the first Necropolis near the swamp, there will be fewer Gnolls there later, or you might just lose some in battle. The thing is, you need to reinforce your army with the third hero and take it reliably.

The strategy is undoubtedly good, but its weaknesses should have been pointed out right away, and there wouldn't be any questions. Nub_hmm has a good video about the Necropolis near the swamp, but it doesn't show what happens if the vampires wait in the third round.

Leave a link to Nub's video.

Oelm

13 years ago

http://ru.twitch.tv/nub_hmm/b/309593875

Ihtiandr

13 years ago

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Here, nub_hmm's tactic is presented; a gnoll is simply used instead of a musketeer – this is not fundamentally important.

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Sadness

13 years ago

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Ihtiandr

I agree, it's a cool strategy. I didn't come up with it; it seemed brilliant at first, so I posted it. Only later did it become clear that it wasn't reliable, but I was too lazy to change it.

The richness of the template has absolutely no effect on the number of gnolls. 42 is the average number at the start (2 stacks from the native heroes and a few more in the castle). Of course, if you give 7 gnolls to the weaker heroes, you'll be left with 35. But I almost always build snakes on the first day to speed things up, even if the lizardmen haven't been built yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ_WPP-js0s

Here's an older, more reliable strategy. But I only tested it for Tazar; I can't vouch for other heroes.

And honestly, is it really that hard to try it out yourself? When I created this thread, I was hoping for a collective discussion and improvement of the tactics, but unfortunately, no one has offered any intelligent ideas on this. Only "do this," "do that," "and I have this whim"... As if I'm a professional inventor of tactics for the Necropolis. I created these tactics for myself; I just decided to share them with others. And I'm quite satisfied with what I've done. In short, I don't want to bother with these Necropolis strategies anymore. If you're interested in something more, do it yourself and post it; you'll get my respect ;)

42? At the start? You must be joking, brother

Ihtiandr

13 years ago

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Vaflya

42 right from the start? You must be joking, brother.

Take a look at the physics. With a hero, you get 10-20 gnolls, which means an average of 30 with two heroes. Plus 12 in the castle. That's 42.

Sadness

13 years ago

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Why do I need physical training when I know the strategy: the Swamp faction has the most heroes who don't come with a stack of units, i.e., 1-2-3.

Bron, Dragon, Korback, Gervulf, and Verdish. It's also worth noting that getting Vistan in the tavern (or starting with him) isn't necessarily a good thing, as it's almost impossible to gather the necessary 42 Goblins without a stash or a second native hero – he's practically useless. So, we either have a shortage of Lizards or a shortage of Goblins.

I haven't been going into crypts on the first few days on Jebus for a long time because the risk of getting unlucky is too high. It's better to wait for Viv or a group of Lizards.

Think about it. The "average" tactic doesn't work here; in practice, you end up getting something completely useless.

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Dirty_Player

13 years ago

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Vaflya

Bron, Dragon, Korvak, Gervulf, and Verdish.

Well, Bron or Dragon could only improve the situation. As for the rest, they might worsen it. But considering that this is a SOD (Stronghold of Death) map, and any hero can enter with a single stack, it's impossible to foresee all scenarios. In any case, you'll have to play with what you get, but a tactic based on the average value is quite normal. Even if there are not 42 gnolls, but 32 (the minimum), the tactic will still work. The gnolls' task is to kill the skeletons in two hits. In the worst case, at the very end, you can easily sacrifice a snake or a couple of gnolls – it's not critical. The main thing for this tactic is the lizards and the snake.

Ihtiandr

13 years ago

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Vaflya, for Wistan, you can upgrade the lizards and use this tactic (similar to the Castle) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGlxj9U_d34&feature=plcp
For Bron, use this tactic - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZctCN3jLO4&feature=plcp

But these tactics only work if Wistan and Bron take the town themselves.

Dirty, If there are fewer Gnolls, the tactic doesn't work because the Vampires don't fall for the bait. I don't remember exactly, but I think the minimum number of Gnolls is 36.

In general, you can always take the town with the second hero and take it safely, for example, with some mage with ranged attack. These tactics are only designed to take the town automatically with minimal losses in a favorable situation, which happens in more than 50% of cases.

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Dirty_Player

13 years ago

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Ihtiandr

Dirty, If there are fewer Gnolls than a certain number, the tactic doesn't work because the Vampires don't fall for the bait. I don't remember exactly, but I think the minimum number of Gnolls is 36.

What if you use 2 baits? :) Also, the number of Gnolls can be less than the minimum if the defense is 1 higher. You have to consider that.

Sadness

13 years ago

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The problem is that there is no universally applicable strategy for the Swamp faction, unfortunately. Ihtiandr, I sometimes play Heroes, and sometimes I choose the Swamp and Dungeon factions, it happens. :-)
It all depends on the map being played. For example, with a 200% bonus, I would upgrade the Gnolls and, while deflecting attacks, attack the Vampires. Adding 2 attack points to the Hero would be enough. In any case, you can get a maximum number of Crypts with acceptable losses, but I don't consider the existing Swamp strategy to be universal. In my opinion, you either need to add Viv or Gr. Lizards.

which works in more than 50% of cases.

Not 50%. I'm willing to do 10 generations, and in half of them, there won't be the necessary Gnolls or Lizards, and with lower values, the strategy is no longer universal.

Ihtiandr

13 years ago

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Could you also do that, and if so, write a complaint to the global association for the protection of player rights regarding the swamp.

Sadness

13 years ago

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Ihtiandr, either finish the job or prove that it's impossible. I'm not the one who's showing off.

Ihtiandr

13 years ago

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Vaflya

it's better to finish the job completely

What job and to what end?... If you don't like this tactic, come up with your own and prove that you have brains. Although, you don't even have to try too hard, I'll forgive you ;)

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favio

13 years ago

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Hello to all fans of intricate dungeon-capturing strategies. I want to share my Stronghold tactics with you, specifically for capturing dungeons on the map. I know that dungeons on the map are not generated without the objects file, but it might still be useful to someone. Please see below: A small addition: The most difficult dungeon (with 10 vampires) was captured with the maximum possible losses. The army consisted of: Kreg, level 1, 50 goblins, 7 orcs, and 3 rocs. This is a standard army in the early days of the game. Lone wolves from other heroes are gathered in the fortress until the next week for the purpose of upgrading. Total losses: a maximum of 10 goblins and 1 orc. Moreover, 5-7 goblins are lost 100% of the time, depending on the moment in the 3rd round when the stack of goblins (45 units) attacks the stack of skeletons (20 units); usually, they all die... in this example, the damage range was lower, and 6 skeletons remained, whose counterattack killed a few extra goblins. Regarding the loss of the orc, it's a 50/50 chance. When there are 2 vampires left, they fly to the 7 orcs and deal damage in the range of 10-18, so hitting 15, they killed 1 of my orcs. P.S. 10 goblins and 1 orc – these are the losses in the worst-case scenario, which are quite acceptable. Use this strategy.

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