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Offline Dark30
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Unfortunately, you are most likely right:( There is one option, you can read about it here: http://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/ua/9351/state-of-ukraine-14/
But this must happen before the first drop of blood is shed on national soil.

The only thing that seems incorrect to me in the article is that the responsibility for the decision does not lie with one president; it's a group of 20-30 people connected to each other.
How can you be wrong here? A political "willful" decision won't be enough; there have already been many deaths, and everyone has very different positions.
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I'm all for ordinary people being able to sleep soundly. Just now, literally an hour ago, my colleague from work received a call from his brother in Kyiv, asking him to "just in case" take in his wife and children, as there are people with automatic weapons walking around under his balcony and gunfire can be heard nearby... that's how it is... who wanted war and American soldiers in Kyiv? A lawyer, right? Well, here you go... it's started...
Revolutions, coups, etc., in my opinion, only happen when either the majority of the population, including the military, supports them, and this is not visible in Ukraine - the western part is for it, the east is against it, but the main thing is that the military supports the president, or when, according to a well-known scenario, NATO troops are deployed in the conflict zone and "restore order" - this option is also very unlikely, as Ukraine is not Syria or Iraq.
There will be blood, but the most annoying thing is that those who are orchestrating the Maidan and Yanukovych with his ministers will survive and even get rich from it, but the ordinary people, both those on the Maidan and those wearing uniforms, will be the ones shedding it, fighting for who knows what...
And what does the shooting of the people by Yanukovych's bloody regime and the Lawyer have to do with it? Maybe you should use logic not only in Heroes. You've already been told everything about the east. Listen less to Russian propaganda.
I consider the Lawyer a hero of Ukraine! He is the only one from the portal who is helping the Maidan in real life. And I perfectly understand what he is risking!
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Regarding the logic – is it true that only Yanukovych’s bloody regime engages in shooting?
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Since we're talking about Crimea and Kharkiv, I can share some observations. I took a moment to think about it, and realized that none of my acquaintances in Crimea have ever been enthusiastic about Kyiv's extremism. Even those who vehemently voted against Yanukovych.
As for Kharkiv, my opinion might not be entirely objective, as I haven't lived there for a long time. But based on my interactions with Kharkiv residents on social media, and knowing the political leanings of the people in that region, I'm also confident that it will be difficult for them to reach an agreement with those carrying red and black flags...
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Romantic, give you the links, watch the video from today. Come to your senses. Has your conscience remained or has it left along with logic, honor, etc.


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Natalia Sokolenko, journalist, member of the "Stop Censorship" movement
The blood of two DemAlliance members is on Zakharchenko's hands
February 20, 2014, 11:00 PM
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Today on the Maidan, two DemAlliance members were killed – Ustym Holodniuk, a volunteer of the Democratic Alliance camp, and Andrii Movchan, a member of the party's Kyiv branch.

Let Zakharchenko not lie that today his regime guards used firearms to let "unarmed policemen escape from under fire."

The two DemAlliance members shot dead today are proof of Zakharchenko's lie. The Democratic Alliance party from day one advocated exclusively peaceful protest, and DemAlliance members never once deviated from this principle. DemAlliance members, in short, adhere to Gandhi's principles of nonviolent resistance. Therefore, the two fallen DemAlliance members were COMPLETELY UNARMED.

Ustym Holodniuk, 20 years old

So far I know almost nothing about the circumstances of Ustym Holodniuk's death – we know that a sniper's bullet struck him in the head.

Andrii Movchan, 34 years old

Andrii Movchan came to the Maidan every day for a few hours and looked for whom and how he could help. It was the same this morning. From approximately 9 AM to 10 AM, he walked around the barricades asking where he could be of service. At ten in the morning, he returned to the DemAlliance camp on Independence Square. What happened next, we haven't yet determined... Probably, he carried water or food to the barricades, as he did every day. After 11 AM, Andrii stopped answering phone calls... At noon, he was found simply shot dead – several gunshot wounds that left not the slightest chance of survival...

Andrii Movchan worked at the Ivan Franko National Theater as a stage master. He was a very gentle person. To some of his friends, by temperament he resembled a teddy bear. He spoke quietly and little. Yet he loved to philosophize. He was always so dreamy. Zakharchenko!!! Andrii Movchan posed no threat to anyone, enough with the lies! He had not only no weapon, but no means of protection either! Well, Andrii was not a warlike person, do you understand? Look at his Facebook page. Investigators can trace his phone calls, mail, contacts – there was nothing there, not a word, that would pose a threat to anyone.

There are no words to convey how sorry we are for these young lives! DemAlliance members offer their sincere condolences to the families of the fallen. And they remain on the Maidan.

Glory to Ukraine!

Glory to the Heroes of the Maidan!
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Since we're talking about Crimea and Kharkiv, I can share some observations. I took a moment to think about it, and realized that none of my acquaintances in Crimea have ever been enthusiastic about the Kyiv extremism. Even those who vehemently voted against Yanukovych.
Regarding Kharkiv, my opinion might not be entirely objective, as I haven't lived there for a long time. But based on my communication with Kharkiv residents on social media, and knowing the political leanings of the people in that region, I'm also confident that it will be difficult for them to reach an agreement with those carrying red and black flags...

I haven't lived in Crimea for a long time either, but my parents live in a small town called Staryi Krym, and believe me, according to them, no one supports Yanukovych, and secondly, who would enthusiastically approve of killings...? And please don't equate the red and black flag with Yanukovych and his thugs all over the country...
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Roger, regarding the links, go ahead and post them on the forum, we'll take a look, but not today – I'm going to sleep. Peace to everyone.
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I haven't lived in Crimea for a long time either, but my parents live in a small town called Old Crimea, and believe me, according to them, no one supports Yanukovych. And secondly, who in their right mind would enthusiastically approve of killings...? And please don't equate the black and red flag with Yanukovych and his thugs all over the country...

Did I say anything about supporting Yanukovych? Only about rejecting extremism. I try to watch TV channels from both sides. So I saw how they were throwing Molotov cocktails at the Berkut officers, who clearly had an order not to respond. This is about who started it first. Regarding the killings, I have my own opinion, which partially coincides with the Muscovite version http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/844777/. I don't see any reason for the Berkut officers to shoot volunteers. I suggest you pay attention to the presence of AKs (even on blurry video, it's not difficult to identify a Kalashnikov), and if they were really taken out of service, then think for yourself, decide for yourself.
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I didn't want to write anything here today, but the latest article from NTV is such nonsense that I couldn't resist. Even the Ministry of Internal Affairs has admitted that it used firearms today during its retreat from Maidan, and these morons are writing about provocateurs in Berkut uniforms. Regarding the yellow armbands, see http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/02/20/7015152/.
In general, the one-sidedness of the article is striking. People are coming from all regions, they say, to support the police. Not a word about support for the protesters. And not a word about the Titushki either. They evoke no less hatred in the people than the Berkut.
Militants... phew... They were extremists, militants, terrorists, and bandits. Ugh, I'm disgusted by this.
Condolences to everyone, people...
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Written by Mikhail (mikle1)
2014-02-20 23:52:00

The seventh hundred is looting
Just now - right this moment, reports from the Maidan say that the seventh hundred of the Maidan self-defense refused to obey orders and began looting. Currently, they are robbing a clothing store on Khreshchatyk.

This is being reported by the Maidan supporters themselves who are still sane. It turns out such people still exist.

http://mikle1.livejournal.com/3740595.html
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Snooppy, well, that's a good thing, because war, apart from radicals, is not beneficial to anyone in the long run. Come on, wake up, think with a clear head, and write.

http://vz.ru/news/2014/2/20/673643.html
By the way, a great candidate from an asylum to be president.

Also from LiveJournal: http://vovkazzz.livejournal.com/55615.html


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Snooppy, well, that's a good thing, because war, apart from radicals, is not beneficial to anyone in the grand scheme of things. Come on, wake up, think with a clear head, and write!
What does war have to do with it?! No one is interested in that. Come on, join in! You continue to disappoint...
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Excellent article... I saved it to my desktop and will reread it during moments of impending depression)). And I understand that the author drank some poison before writing it, because there's something about paradise at the end!)). But in essence, I'll say one thing: IT WON'T HAPPEN! :smile51:


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