Skip to content

Posts from Socionics

No ratings yet — be the first to rate!
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Sociology consists of several sciences, based on psychology as a science about the human psyche, sociology as a science about relationships in human society, and computer science as a science about information exchange. Sociology originated as a continuation of the teachings of Z. Freud and his student, C.G. Jung. Freud introduced the idea that the human psyche has a structure. This structure includes levels: consciousness (ego), preconsciousness (super-ego), and the subconscious (id). Jung, based on his experience working with patients, saw that this structure is different for different people. Jung constructed not one, as Freud did, but eight models of the psyche and described eight psychological personality types. Based on Jung's teachings, Lithuanian scientist, educator, and economist Ausra Augustinavichiute built a new science called sociology. She managed to combine Jung's typology with the theory of information exchange, developed by Polish psychologist and psychiatrist Andrzej Kempinski. According to this theory, a person's mental health depends on the amount and quality of information they process. The development of Jung's typology by our contemporaries has increased the number of types from eight to sixteen. The analysis of sociological types of people made it possible to explain not only the behavior of an individual but also his relationships with other people. In total, there are 16 sociological types: Jack London Don Quixote Robespierre Balzac Hamlet Huxley Dostoevsky Yesenin Hugo Caesar Dreiser Dumas Stirlitz Zhukov Maxim Gorky Jean Gabin Here is a link to the Gulenko test, which is the most accurate of all, but also the longest, with as many as 68 questions. http://www.tests-tests.ru/gulenko.php?qnum=1&question=0 Take the test and share your results; you will learn a lot of interesting things about yourself.
Нет, я же Гитлер.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
So, who should I believe? According to one test, I'm Balzac, and according to another, I'm Yesenin.
А, вот почему.

??+⛓️♿=?
User Avatar
Auto-translated
heh, I have this test on my computer))

my result was Robespierre, Logical-Intuitive Introvert (LII)....... the result is quite truthful, although not completely)) so, here's an edited version (I removed the untruths)... although maybe even from what remains, not everything is obvious to everyone, because some things are only visible in real life and upon closer acquaintance)


Robespierre, LII [INTj]
Logical-Intuitive Introvert


How interesting this thing called life is!
A focused, attentive gaze, seeing nothing around? - that is immersion not into oneself, but into one's own world.
What is there, in that unknown universe?
They say truth lives there. If only I could find the way to it.
Now, it seems to me, I am taking the first conscious steps toward true values: Freedom, Beauty, Truth and, of course, Love.
But this is not enough. There is one important condition. The desire to convince others of one's own truths, the desire to direct others toward one's own goals, the desire to introduce one's own wishes into the lives of others - is foolish, heartless and useless.
LIIs are usually silent.
Words do not carry truth.
But if he begins to speak, he is worth listening to...
I think - therefore I am
Even in small children of this type, others are struck by an unchildlike seriousness and attentive, focused eyes.
I think always - when I eat, when I walk, watch a movie, listen to music, when I chat with someone about trifles and even when I sleep. I do not tire of thinking. Sometimes these are just fantasies or fragments of some thoughts, and sometimes stunning insights about the world, the universe in which we live.
Sometimes it seems that an LII does not so much live as perceives life. His external detachment from the world, his silent perception of everything happening around - is only to avoid clouding the real, objective picture of existence with his presence. In his mind, he builds a kind of mental model of the entire universe known to him and on this basis tries to find the most global patterns of Life.
Perhaps children of this type are the first to learn to read.
He easily knows how to find the information he needs; by the appearance of a book, he can say quite accurately whether it is worth reading.
Thanks to high reading speed and a good memory, he is usually more erudite than his peers; with his logic and knowledge, he can sometimes corner even an adult. However, parents should not explicitly and loudly place great hopes on him. This stresses him out and increases sensitivity to failures, which are unavoidable.
Man was born to be free
Generally, such a child usually creates no problems for the parents, only for himself - and in huge quantities! In an unfavorable psychological environment, he may become suspicious, and self-analysis turns into soul-searching. He is very afraid of possible troubles (which he often invents himself). Actual troubles, however, he usually handles independently. He does not like to ask for help, but may wait for others to guess and offer it themselves.
Physical labor stresses the LII. On the other hand, he handles monotonous work that doesn't occupy his thoughts quite well. While his hands work in automatic mode, he spends this time on a more interesting activity - thinking. Or just fantasizing. Or both at once.
He has a reasonably developed imagination. However, in situations requiring quick reaction and decision-making, he may "lag." It often happens with him that "a good thought comes later."
Often, analyzing a situation that has already passed, I realize that everything could have been different, had I said this or that. But - alas! Everything is behind us and nothing can be changed.
Therefore, he usually tries to act in such a way as to have at least a little time to rack his brains.
Quite perceptive: his developed logic allows him to see the real causes of events. He can calculate with a sufficient degree of probability how a situation will end. When planning a new venture, he is perhaps best at seeing possible obstacles and "pitfalls"; and the thought of future troubles lying in wait may discourage him from starting anything at all.
LIIs do not always tell others about their plans and stubbornly remain silent about failures. In general, even close people know very little about them.
Distrustful, he acutely feels insincerity or hypocrisy in other people. But if someone behaves assertively and convincingly, hiding deception under a mask of truthfulness, an LII will believe any nonsense - he takes sincerity in lying at face value.
LIIs have a peculiar sense of humor - intricate and paradoxical. Externally, it is expressed in the fact that he often says obvious foolishness using smart words with the most serious expression (and he is a master of this). However, people usually perceive his words no less seriously and sometimes take offense at them. Thus, the LII sometimes has to explain later that "it was a joke." Also, he doesn't know how to tell jokes, so he seems like a "dry" person without the slightest sense of humor to others.
Not all hearts are strangers
All questions related to interpersonal relationships are for an LII an area of doubt and uncertain actions. A good attitude toward someone is expressed by an LII not so much through feelings and emotions, but through practical care for their needs and solving their problems. He experiences certain difficulties when trying to get closer to a person he likes or when wanting to find friends.
Loneliness is the hardest... I hope that I will find friends of purpose, who have chosen with their heart the path that I have chosen...
Most often, his own attempts to shorten the ethical distance lead to nothing good.
As a teenager, an LII often has serious problems communicating with peers; it is hard for him to become "one of them." Therefore, he doesn't like walking on the street with other children very much, preferring to stay home. He has few friends; he is silent, serious, and keeps all his experiences inside.
Growing up, in communication with people, he tries as hard as possible to appear polite and tactful, to be correct with absolutely everyone. But "inside himself," he still prefers to let no one in. If someone behaves tactlessly toward him, he is unlikely to settle the score; he will simply wall himself off from the unpleasant interlocutor with an impenetrable veil.
Psychological overstrain (family quarrels, all sorts of conflicts and such) is borne painfully, so he tries to keep himself within bounds, restrained.
He likes neither settling scores nor ambiguity, but if necessary, he will calmly and reasonably try to dot all the i's.
In conversations, an LII tries as much as possible to avoid offensive expressions and remarks: the thing is, they usually produce a much stronger impression on the interlocutor than he intended. In other words, a remark that would sound quite innocent from most other people is perceived almost as an insult if spoken by an LII.
So he sometimes has to silently swallow small offenses because he understands: his response will be much stronger, and that is unfair.
If others mistakenly take his patience for weakness and begin to abuse it, they risk eventually running into an unexpected and very sharp blow. The one who is "lucky" enough to hit the epicenter of such an explosion will never be able to forget it.
And the LII himself will not be able to forget the state of this affect: for him, it is terrifying and unnatural, as if in that moment he is betraying himself. And yet he will go to the end and would rather die than allow himself to be further humiliated.
But honestly, this happens at most a couple of times throughout his life. All other time, an LII is a soft and yielding person. In communication with people, he fundamentally refuses to pressure them.
But don't pressure me either!!
The concept of "strength" is almost always perceived by him as "violence." Paradoxically, the softer the request addressed to him, the harder it is for him to refuse the requester; if he feels pressure on himself, he may completely stop reacting to any words and exhortations.
It is also difficult for an LII to defend his rights and interests; he has a weakened sense of ownership. If his rights are ignored by people around him, he might do nothing at all to correct the situation and protect himself.
In particularly severe cases, an LII may develop a kind of "victim complex" - a person who can be offended by anyone and who is unable to stand up for himself.
LIIs often have quite strong mood swings - from joyful excitement to dismal decline. He himself depends largely on his energy state, which is beyond the control of his mind. It should also be noted that by nature, an LII foresees negative moments in the future better than shining prospects. This trait also does not bring him joy or self-confidence.
On his own, an LII, especially in youth, does not know how to have fun. If no one pays attention to him at a party and doesn't try to involve him in the general merriment, he may sit in the corner all evening.
And I sat - at discos!
He is sincerely grateful to those who generously share real joy and a festive mood with him.
I love to laugh, but it doesn't happen as often as I would like...
Often externally he seems such a "dry" person or a "bluestocking" that people sincerely believe - that's just how he is. In communication with him, one must remember that in the dilemma of "to be or to seem," an LII almost always chooses "to be" and rarely allows himself "to seem."
How should I know what I want?!!
An LII is also quite helpless in organizing his daily life. Of course, if it so happens that "this tedious routine" in the family falls entirely on his shoulders, he will be able to organize it satisfactorily. However, this will be done at the cost of great expenditure of strength and time. And also his mood may deteriorate significantly. An LII is sincerely surprised when he learns that there are people who find all household chores "cool."
It's hard for him even to decide on an answer to the question: "What do you want for dinner today?" - how should he know? And his opinion on whether what he is currently eating is tasty or not is often formed from other people's words.
LIIs are not physically strong, their movements are clumsy and angular - a good athlete or dancer will not be made of him.
And I so want to be able to do all that - to be graceful, strong, agile!
He tries to maintain his health in order through simple means - proper nutrition, physical exercises, avoiding excesses (by the way, LIIs are less prone than others to alcohol, smoking and especially drugs, and they also fight these habits quite successfully in their loved ones).
He likes to walk a lot and fast - during this time his head "works" better. Despite relative physical weakness, he possesses significant endurance. If he does sports, he prefers individual types rather than team ones.
Life is the only thing given to man
Usually, an LII treats his professional duties and career quite responsibly. In general, even for a female LII, work as an opportunity for self-realization is more important than family. And if it's also a true Calling, any of them can almost without regret give up their personal life entirely.
It is hard to expect praise from an LII, but if he says something approving, it means you have truly earned it. In criticism, he sometimes goes too far. But he is just as demanding with himself: an LII usually sets high moral standards for himself, which, however, he does not like to talk about. He does not like "teaching others how to live."
A person must educate himself.
In work, an LII does not like to act according to a template, to be a "formal executor" and cannot do without initiative. In his youth, he is often "beaten" for this. Also, he prefers to work with his head, not his hands. It's easier for him to put forward an interesting promising idea and sketch out a plan for its execution than to implement it in life himself.
Not very enterprising; he engages in commerce or personal business mainly "in others' footsteps and along beaten paths," but will always necessarily add something of his own. Despite all his yielding nature, he becomes a stubborn mule when others begin to criticize his actions and business sense.
I know what to do myself!
He can perceive criticism calmly and constructively only in the form of a light and benevolent (in his understanding) hint. By the way, he himself likes to give others useful business advice, but never insists on its strict and mandatory execution.
My job is to suggest, yours - to refuse
As a rule, an LII will not give knowingly false advice or mislead someone who trusts him. This does not mean that he never deceives people. Most often his lie is only self-defense; and to lie and thereby cause harm to another person is a heavy trauma for a "decent" LII. The most he goes to with a clear conscience is not giving all the information.
But sometimes it's also hard for him to hide certain things. Having promised someone to keep silent, he will keep his word.
That's for sure.
Often with his own words, he personally gives people hostile toward him weapons against himself.
LII solves his problems in such a way as to avoid infringing on the interests of others as much as possible. In building relationships with people, he strives to implement the principle of mutual respect and always wants to act justly toward them. It must be said that the sense of justice in an LII is almost innate. Despite all his rejection of violence, he may get into a fight if he sees a gross violation of justice.
In a not very "developed" LII, the concept of justice largely coincides with the concept of equality, as a result of which he tends to unify people, and this, naturally, leads to nothing good.
He does not like making promises; to a request he may only say: "Okay, I don't promise, but I'll try." This can be both a veiled refusal and an internal decision to do everything in his power.
"I write to you - what more is there?"
In his actions, he is subconsciously oriented toward constant and maximum time-saving. In conversation, he tries (unconsciously!) to be extremely laconic. If he can fully exhaust the topic of a five-minute story with one phrase - he will be very pleased with himself. When speaking, he tries to put maximum meaning into his words. (Therefore, in an important conversation, he must be listened to extremely attentively - not a single word of his will be redundant or accidental.)
Habitual mechanical movements in an LII are also very economical, precise and extremely coordinated. In the kitchen, he can stir a salad with one hand, reach for salt with the other, and even close the table door with his knee.
Unfortunately, it's usually not possible to use the second leg - that's how you could fall.
LII does everything calmly and without fuss, so others notice how fast he works only when it becomes obvious that an hour's worth of work was done by him in twenty minutes.
In a time crunch, he usually acts better and more effectively; lack of time activates him. If someone next to him cannot make the deadlines, he will behave calmly and coolly, suppressing any panic moods and helping his comrade do everything, or at least the most important part.
LII feels time very well, although this is not consciously realized by them. Without calculating much in advance how much time will be spent, he can manage to get everywhere on time. Even if it's "customary" to be late for a meeting (for example, a date), he will be delayed only by a couple of minutes.


Functional Description

Base function: logic of relations

Analytical mind. Ability to find cause-and-effect relationships in everything. Inclination toward abstract, systemic thinking. Ability to separate the main from the secondary. Theorizing, inclination toward mental labor, construction of abstract models.

Creative function: intuition of possibilities

Understanding the essence of events and phenomena of the surrounding world. Creating hypotheses about the laws of the universe. Desire to give life greater meaning, to enrich it with new ideas. Avoidance of meaningless actions. Idealism, creativity, imagination, globality of thinking.

Role function: ethics of relations

Formal observance of norms of behavior in relationships with people, following others' examples. Striving to cultivate politeness and correctness in oneself. Very weak understanding of the desires of others. Internal uncertainty about the ethicality of one's actions. Attention to other people's communication experience.

Pain function: volitional sensory

Weakness of own volitional potential. Fundamental refusal of forceful influence on other people and complete rejection of forceful influence on oneself. Own weakness is perceived very painfully. Reduced sense of ownership. Striving to avoid situations fraught with volitional pressure.

Suggestive function: ethics of emotions

Underestimation of the role of the emotional aspect in life. Inability to independently handle one's own negative emotions. Periodic melancholy, depression. Subconscious expectation of help from others. Gratitude for given joy and good mood. Resentment at life in case of lack of joyful emotions. External non-emotionality, passivity, emotional suggestibility.

Referent function: sensory of sensations

Low sensitivity. Weak ability to organize one's daily life. Expectation of help in creating comfort and coziness. Readiness to follow others' benevolent advice. Difficulties with neatness.

Restrictive function: business logic

Subconscious desire to be aware of the affairs of loved ones and friends. Readiness to help them in difficult situations if they ask for it. Rejection of criticism addressed to oneself when it comes to business activity and professionalism. High working capacity, not always leading to significant results. Templated actions in business ventures. High automatism of movements.

Realizing function: intuition of time

Good, but practically unconscious sense of time. Foresight of dangers standing in the way of other people, readiness to warn them about this in time. Subconscious desire not to let anyone down with timing. Understanding the great value of time. Good memory, care for others' time, punctuality, precision.


PS and it's even better to read more about functions, it explains what "base", "creative" etc. mean

PPS better write the scientific name of the type rather than surnames)
PPPS by the way, I later read about Robespierre)

Be strong. Believe
User Avatar
Auto-translated
And I'm Yes'enin, by the way, we have the same name.

За всем следят машины благодати и любви.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Yes, by the way, I'm Robespierre).

Regarding "Logico," "introvert," and "rational," I agree, but not about "intuitive." I don't know, maybe I should pay closer attention to myself; I've always thought that logic and intuition are opposite things.
And I don't agree with much of the description; maybe I didn't answer the questions sincerely.
Of course, you can't describe all people with just 16 social types, so discrepancies are inevitable. Greater accuracy is achieved by partially combining two types. Usually, that's how it is; many factors are mixed together.
Нет, я же Гитлер.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Balzac (Critic, Expert, OR, intuitive-logical introvert)

Main dichotomies

Rationality 7 - Irrationality 10
Extraversion 3 - Introversion 14
Sensing 1 - Intuition 16
Logic 13 - Ethics 4

Lives in the flow of time, filling it with various activities. Time is valuable in itself for ILI. He carefully observes the course of life. Sometimes it is difficult for him to switch from this contemplative position to active actions. He can predict the behavior of his acquaintances in various situations, modeling it based on previous communication experience. He arrives on time for important meetings. There is a socionic myth that ILI always knows what time it is. In reality, ILI is very good at determining when it is necessary to keep track of time, and when it is not. And in the latter case, he is unlikely to tell you the exact time. He likes to be on time at the last minute. Ironic, often has a good sense of humor, usually dark. More of an "owl" than a "lark".

Friendly, although at first impression he may seem cold, aloof, and unwelcoming. He cannot stand shouting, false, feigned, and intrusive emotions. He does not like hustle and bustle, enthusiasm over trifles, as well as when he is brought out of a state of calm and relaxation by phrases like "why are you so sad/gloomy/unhappy/angry?", "what are you happy about?", especially said in a raised voice. In general, he manages his emotions poorly. At the same time, unlike Gaben, who also has a painful ethics of emotions, he tolerates strong positive emotions better than negative ones. He may feel uncomfortable at noisy parties in a large company, where there are many unfamiliar people. Sometimes he grumbles or is silent, not supporting the general discussion. He rarely shows strong emotions and talks little about his feelings, but he becomes more open with close people.

Strives for inner balance and harmony. The statement of Socrates is close to him: "know thyself". An interesting conversationalist. He likes to argue on a wide variety of topics. It is not easy for ILI to make new acquaintances with the opposite sex, especially in his youth. He does not like to give compliments, he considers it more honest to talk about shortcomings. He does not rush things in relationships. He strives to maintain independence and not succumb to feelings. Democratic, in communication he prefers a close distance. The first stage is usually the most difficult, when the reciprocal emotional reactions and attitude are unknown. It is much easier to get acquainted on a common matter. He is inclined to exclude people from his life once and for all after actions that seem absolutely unacceptable to him.

In conflicts, he either uses strong logical argumentation or simply disappears. In a fight, he does not control his emotions and is afraid of injuring his opponent, so he prefers chokeholds. He values simple, good, warm relationships, kindness. His slow speech can lull and calm those around him. He understands the values of different generations. He takes into account the interests of other people and expects the same from them.

He does not like to ask and bargain. He finds a current that carries him to the desired goal. He tries not to get into a difficult situation, often overinsures, because of which he misses promising opportunities. In an unusual environment, he acts on intuition, relying more on the specific situation than on a pre-established plan. He may violate or circumvent generally accepted rules if he considers them stupid or unimportant.

In clothing, he prefers dark colors, such as blue and black. It is difficult for ILI to constantly monitor his appearance, so he is sometimes untidy. Unpretentious in everyday life. His weakness manifests itself in the field of design, design, uncertainty in matters concerning health. Usually he has a calm, restrained, serious and focused appearance. He is often hunched over and has a skeptical expression on his face. His gait is smooth.

He warns people about the possible negative consequences of certain actions, offers alternatives, discussing their strengths and weaknesses. If, in his opinion, everything is going as it should, he usually just remains silent and does not interfere. He patiently leads a person to the necessary step, preparing him in advance.

He sees contradictions in different theories, as well as the difference between words and deeds. It is difficult for ILI to constantly generate ideas himself, but it is quite easy to compile and correct other people's ideas. At the same time, he considers his opinion to be quite objective, as it is based on the analysis of diverse sources. He may underestimate the subjectivity of his information filtering. In the area that interests him, he tries to get to the bottom of it, gives accurate forecasts in it, and does a good job of assessing the likelihood of various events. He usually makes well-considered decisions, but he may spend too much time collecting and analyzing information.

He respects strong, wise, talented people. He does not strive for leadership and power, although sometimes he can be a gray cardinal. Most often he behaves modestly, preferring to be in the shadows, but he is glad when he is found there. He finds it difficult to regularly take care of his physical health and play sports. He needs encouragement, support, based on strong friendships.

He is a good strategist; he is more interested in long-term prospects than in short-term gains. His performance varies greatly, from laziness to complete immersion in work, depending on interest, prospects, mood, and relationships in the team. Despite his external slowness, he knows how to distribute work in time in the best way, and also improve its methods. He does not tolerate petty regulation of actions. He has a developed imagination and a rich inner world. Associative thinking. He often has a scientific mindset, striving to understand the laws of nature. He gets bored without new impressions and information. He perceives life in dynamics, as a continuous flow of events flowing into each other. At the same time, he believes that there is a place for chance in the world, and any phenomenon can include opposite beginnings.

Recommended areas of activity



Applied scientific research, programming (especially system administration), economics, historical and philosophical sciences, analysis of complex problems, strategic planning, forecasting, logistics, risk assessment, expertise, interdisciplinary research.
Правила форума
FAQ по Heroes VI
Форумная мафия
[readonly]
User Avatar
Auto-translated
P.S. By the way, I read about Robespierre later.
)))))me too))))))

Visually, AR seems to fit the Robespierre type better; I have too many differences in behavior in public. I always distinguish between my public behavior and my real behavior (as do many introverts; personally, I even have a kind of complex because of this; it's unpleasant when you are perceived not as you really are, even if they perceive you better; sometimes it even causes a kind of split personality, and that's almost a diagnosis).

P.S.
hehe, it's interesting to read about everyone.
Нет, я же Гитлер.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Wow, now I've turned into Balzac O_O!!!!!!!
Ar and Amar are making fun of me))))))))))))))
They are logical-intuitive. And I am intuitive-logical. It's all the same.
The difference is big, and it's not that you are more intuitive, and Ar is more logical)

So, I need to partially combine Ar and Amar, and I'll get myself))
Despite all the absurdity, it seems like the truth)) I lean towards Robespierre, but mostly Balzac, I think this is some kind of transitional state, I browsed the site, read about the other types, and didn't find anyone similar to myself.
In a fight, he doesn't control his emotions and is afraid of injuring his opponent, so he prefers chokeholds.
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Нет, я же Гитлер.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Socionics type:

Huxley (Intuitive-Ethical Extratert, IEI)

Main dichotomies

Rationality 2 - Irrationality 15
Extraversion 11 - Introversion 6
Sensing 5 - Intuition 12
Logic 6 - Ethics 11

Authors of the description: Valentina Meged and Anatoly Ovcharov


The Advisor is convinced that the world is ruled by talent and abilities.

A representative of this type has a vision of the potential of those around them, first seeing the positive aspects and only later noticing the negative ones. They see people "through and through"; they notice everything unusual. They have the makings of a good psychologist, especially in the area of psychological diagnostics. Advisors can become not only good psychologists and diagnosticians but also excellent psychological trainers, but they are relatively mediocre as analysts. The Advisor has the ability to influence others. They are constantly seeking harmony in their life, especially in human relationships; however, in their search for the ideal, they may become detached from reality and from the emotions that are so important to them. They are not very practical but appreciate practicality in others. They are very sensitive, sometimes even sentimental. They may appear to be strong-willed and persistent, but this does not last long, as it is only their social role. They can show persistence and willpower spontaneously, but no more than that. Willful efforts are tiring for them. They are extremely subjective in their assessment of people and events. They reject "dry logic." A sober, logical approach is practically closed to them; they build all their contacts on the principle of "pleasant - unpleasant." They are generous, sometimes to the point of recklessness. They do not pay enough attention to their health, rest, and self-care (unless they have turned these issues into a system or made them their profession). They do not like to strive for decent pay, etc. (for themselves; for others, they are inclined and able to achieve a lot). They need appropriate support in these matters. They are not a businessman or a salesperson, and they are not good at production. The Advisor is careless about time, but they love to control others in this area. For example, they may not notice the time, even if they have a watch. They are optimistic, often childish; they have a rich imagination. They are prone to enthusiasm and extravagance in their actions, clothing, etc. They have great creative potential. They are a passionate nature, consumed by emotions; they know how to inspire and motivate others to action. Areas of profession: theoretical and humanitarian; culture, humanitarian education and upbringing, film, theater, advertising, literature, journalism, politics, dramaturgy; medicine (especially diagnostics of internal diseases), practical psychology; organizing excursions, etc.

Surprisingly, almost everything is true :) (Honestly, it's unexpected :))
Стартовый пост - Квенты - Разное
Резара - Аксель - Орвальд - Эмилия
Auto-translated
The description contains some inaccuracies (and not a few), but I agree with the dichotomy:)

Main dichotomies

Rationality 16 - Irrationality 1
Extraversion 4 - Introversion 13
Sensing 9 - Intuition 8
Logic 12 - Ethics 5

The motto of such a person could sound like this: "The world is ruled by law, order, discipline, and norms."

People of this type are better than others at regulating relationships and actions; they establish order and adhere to traditions. They tend to act "as is customary," "as others do." All this is achieved through volitional pressure, both towards themselves and towards others. This is an authoritarian leader of a local type (up to 10-20 people), very scrupulous and meticulous. Such a person is quite tolerant at a considerable psychological distance, but the closer the distance, the more likely they are to exert pressure. The best way to communicate with such a person is to maintain a decent distance. They tend to level people; for them, more than for representatives of other socionic types, equalization is characteristic: "All people are the same, and the same approach applies to everyone." They are susceptible to other people's emotions, and sometimes even more so to negative, dramatic ones, such as tears or hysterics. Positive emotions in some representatives of the type can cause irritation. They live for today, predict poorly, do not understand the forecasts that those around them give, and do not accept them. They are a good tactician. They criticize others for a lack of practical activity or thrift. Everything that is not practical and not concrete is perceived by people of this type as idleness. They love cleanliness, order, decor, and hygiene. It is better to communicate with such people at a decent psychological distance, and not on abstract topics, but specifically, on business. On the phone - as briefly and concisely as possible. They do not like "empty chatter." Representatives of this type are traditionalists; everything valuable to them is in the past. Stability and everything related to the past are important to them. This is one of the most static types. One should not interfere with what they consider "their territory," for example, borrowing money from them, taking their things without asking, etc. The Inspector is not inclined to throw away things that are not needed at the moment; they are stingy by nature. They have a positive attitude towards hierarchy and respect for rank. Despite all this, they are very honest; one could say they are a person of duty. If such a person gives a gift, they may consider the other person indebted to them. They really like to demonstrate independence. They are unemotional, calm, logical, and reliable. They are a good family person. Sphere of professions: production, law, law enforcement agencies, the army, economic specialties, banking, work in art museums, restoration of historical and architectural monuments, design (including fashion design).
User Avatar
Auto-translated
no, my test is better on my computer... there, the answer is more complete, and the questions are clearer...
and here, it turned out a little differently for me... although part of it is true, but not the whole answer... LII suits me more than ILI

P.S. If anyone needs it, I can send you my test x)



Balzac (Intuitive-Logical Introvert, ILI)

Main dichotomies

Rationality 7 - Irrationality 10
Extroversion 4 - Introversion 13
Sensing 6 - Intuition 11
Logic 9 - Ethics 8




Lives in the flow of time, filling it with various activities. Time is valuable in itself for ILI. He carefully observes the course of life. Sometimes it is difficult for him to switch from this contemplative position to active actions. He can predict the behavior of his acquaintances in various situations, modeling it based on previous communication experience. He arrives on time for important meetings. There is a socionic myth that ILI always knows what time it is. In reality, ILI is very good at determining when it is necessary to keep track of time, and when it is not. And in the latter case, he is unlikely to tell you the exact time. He likes to be on time at the last minute. Ironic, often has a good sense of humor, usually dark. More of an "owl" than a "lark".

Friendly, although at first impression he may seem cold, aloof, and unwelcoming. He cannot stand shouting, false, feigned, and intrusive emotions. He does not like hustle and bustle, enthusiasm over trifles, as well as when he is taken out of a state of calm and relaxation by phrases like "why are you so sad/gloomy/unhappy/angry?", "what are you happy about?", especially said in a raised voice. In general, he manages his emotions poorly. At the same time, unlike Gaben, who also has a painful ethics of emotions, he tolerates strong positive emotions better than negative ones. He may feel uncomfortable at noisy parties in a large company, where there are many unfamiliar people. Sometimes he grumbles or is silent, not supporting the general discussion. He rarely shows strong emotions and talks little about his feelings, but with close people he becomes more relaxed and open.

Strives for inner balance and harmony. The statement of Socrates is close to him: "know thyself". An interesting conversationalist. He likes to argue on a wide variety of topics. It is not easy for ILI to make new acquaintances with the opposite sex, especially in his youth. He does not like to give compliments, he considers it more honest to talk about shortcomings. He does not rush things in relationships. He strives to maintain independence and not succumb to feelings. Democratic, in communication he prefers a close distance. The first stage is usually the most difficult, when the reciprocal emotional reactions and attitude are unknown. It is much easier to get acquainted on a common matter. He is inclined to exclude people from his life once and for all after actions that seem absolutely unacceptable to him.

In conflicts, he either uses strong logical argumentation or simply disappears. In a fight, he does not control his emotions and is afraid of injuring his opponent, so he prefers chokeholds. He values simple, good, warm relationships, kindness. His slow speech can lull and calm those around him. He understands the values of different generations well. He takes into account the interests of other people, and expects the same from them.

He does not like to ask and bargain. He finds a current that carries him to the desired goal. He tries not to get into a difficult situation, often overinsures, because of which he misses promising opportunities. In an unusual environment, he acts on intuition, relying more on the specific situation than on a pre-established plan. He may violate or circumvent generally accepted rules if he considers them stupid or unimportant.

In clothing, he prefers dark colors, such as blue and black. It is difficult for ILI to constantly monitor his appearance, so he is sometimes untidy. Unpretentious in everyday life. His weakness manifests itself in the field of design, design, insecurity in matters concerning health. Usually has a calm, restrained, serious and focused appearance. Often hunched over and has a skeptical expression on his face. Gait is smooth.

He warns people about the possible negative consequences of certain actions, offers alternatives, discussing their strengths and weaknesses. If, in his opinion, everything is going as it should, he usually just remains silent and does not interfere. He patiently leads a person to the necessary step, preparing him in advance.

He sees contradictions in different theories, as well as the difference between words and deeds. It is difficult for ILI to constantly generate ideas himself, but it is quite easy to compile and correct other people's ideas. At the same time, he considers his opinion to be quite objective, as it is based on the analysis of diverse sources. He may underestimate the subjectivity of his information filtering. In the area that interests him, he tries to get to the bottom of it, gives accurate forecasts in it, and can assess the probability of various events. Usually makes balanced decisions, but may spend too much time collecting and analyzing information.

He respects strong, wise, talented people. He does not strive for leadership and power, although sometimes he can be a gray cardinal. Most often, he behaves modestly, preferring to be in the shadows, but he is glad when he is found there. He finds it difficult to regularly take care of his physical health and play sports. He needs encouragement, support, based on strong friendships. He is a good strategist, he is more interested in long-term prospects than in short-term benefits. Performance varies greatly, from laziness to complete immersion in work, depending on interest, prospects, mood, relationships in the team. Despite his external slowness, he knows how to distribute work in time in the best way, and also improve its methods. He does not tolerate petty regulation of actions. He has a developed imagination and a rich inner world. Associative thinking. Often has a scientific mindset, strives to learn the laws of nature. He gets bored without new impressions and information. He perceives life in dynamics, as a continuous flow of events flowing into each other. At the same time, he believes that there is a place for chance in the world, any phenomenon can include opposite beginnings.


Recommended areas of activity

Applied scientific research, programming (especially system administration), economics, historical and philosophical sciences, analysis of complex problems, strategic planning, forecasting, logistics, risk assessment, expertise, interdisciplinary research.

Be strong. Believe
In reply to Arandor
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Socionics Type

Stirlitz (Logical-Sensory Extratim, LSE)

Main Dichotomies

Rationality 15 - Irrationality 2
Extraversion 13 - Introversion 4
Sensing 16 - Intuition 1
Logic 17 - Ethics 0

Description Authors - Valentina Meged and Anatoly Ovcharov


This person is convinced that hard work rules the world. He is the biggest workaholic of all psychological types. The Administrator usually doesn't strive to be a leader, although he is a good manager - a production specialist. His natural leadership qualities are very good, but he doesn't rush to demonstrate them unless necessary. Everything that the Administrator does is distinguished by quality, reliability, and has good guarantees. A representative of this type is characterized by care in everything. He is very responsible, and a sense of duty is not an empty word for him. He is reliable and fears disappointing others. He is a whole person. He is open and straightforward. He is very diligent and scrupulous in his activities. He tends to strictly adhere to hierarchy. At a greater psychological distance, this person mainly shows positive emotions, but at home, he tends to be more negative. The closer a person is, the more likely they are to "encounter" the Administrator's uncontrolled emotions. He is usually in a time crunch, which is why he often becomes exhausted, as he doesn't leave time for rest, spending time with children, etc. As a specialist, he can only realize himself in an atmosphere of goodwill; otherwise, he tries to leave, even despite various advantages such as a high salary, etc. He is a pragmatist and practical in everything. He loves order. At the same time, he is bad at predicting and lives for today. Unpredictability throws him off balance. He tends to plan everything, act "without foolishness" and unnecessary inventions. He expresses his attitude towards a person or event directly. Any unreliability or injustice causes his condemnation, often quite harsh. For him, justice is the foundation of everything. He is very honest, and you can usually trust him. He usually achieves his goals, despite any sacrifices on his part. He can be characterized by the expression "honest hard worker." Professional sphere: production, construction, law, military affairs, law enforcement agencies.

P.S. Discuss how bad I am ;)
С уважением, Vlad

HeroesWorld: В контакте
http://vk.com/heroesworld
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Drayzer (Ethical-Sensory Introvert, ESI)

Main Dichotomies

Rationality 11 - Irrationality 6
Extraversion 2 - Introversion 15
Sensing 14 - Intuition 3
Logic 2 - Ethics 15

Description author - psychologist Elena Zamanskaya

Drayzer is well-attuned to how people feel about them, accurately identifying ill-wishers. They perceive human relationships in a differentiated manner: by the form of communication and interaction between people, they determine who loves whom and who dislikes whom. Therefore, in a group (especially a familiar one), they feel confident in their behavior and assessment of others, relying on the ethical norms they are well-versed in, as well as universal human values.

Despite their ability to sense people, they do not rush to final conclusions about someone they like, first observing how the person behaves in various life situations: are they trustworthy? how do they affect others? Drayzer gives a person's actions an internal moral evaluation.

From childhood, accumulating information about people, Drayzer knows that all kinds of people exist – good and bad; weak and strong; those capable of giving back in love and friendship, and those who are not. The experience acquired by Drayzer in human relationships does not go to waste, and often this is a difficult experience, obtained through suffering and loss, which Drayzer, as a finely tuned person, experiences very painfully and deeply. Although Drayzer does not show such feelings to their social circle, considering the manifestation of them "in public" a weakness. After all, Drayzer possesses inner strength and resilience, guided by an innate knowledge of how people should be, which allows them not to lose their own moral bearings in our ethically imperfect world and to protect loved ones, shielding them from betrayal, hypocrisy, and emotional loss.

Drayzer cannot be deceived by words, compliments, or playing on weaknesses; they judge a person by their actions, viewing those actions from a moral-ethical perspective. They have the courage to love close people as they are, helping them become better, and the courage to end a relationship with a person whose behavior does not correspond to their internal understanding of good and evil.

Drayzer takes a long time to choose a person, avoiding rushing into infatuation. And the more emotional strength is spent on paying attention to a person and getting closer to them, the dearer that person becomes. But if closeness did not occur, Drayzer remains at the same distance in communication. They feel no grievances and accept none. With people who remain complete strangers, they maintain a great distance, making it clear with a single glance that it is better not to approach them.

When choosing a person, Drayzer strives first and foremost to find someone close in values, preferring straightforward, honest, active, and hardworking people. Those whose word does not diverge from their deed, and whose deeds are more than their words.

While observing a person's actions, Drayzer strives to be fair and impartial. They look from the outside and listen to themselves—to their own attitude, sensations, and needs, which they will likely remain silent about at first.

They will not express their attitude, whether good or bad, to every passerby; it is better to remain tactfully silent. But if they decide to speak negatively, they will do so firmly, sometimes even harshly, with a sense of inner conviction in their words. If Drayzer is sure that a person is behaving unethically, it is very difficult to persuade them otherwise; Drayzer will not show doubts to others, nor their own distress at that moment. What is said is spoken calmly and pointedly politely. Drayzer has strong endurance and self-control. Their tears and anger must not be seen by strangers; they can restrain feelings before outsiders, withstand a blow, and save face. Self-respect is one of the fundamental feelings for Drayzer.

They show feelings to close people, which is a sign of trust on their part. But even around loved ones, they prefer and try to deal with negative feelings independently. Beautiful feelings and beautiful relationships are another matter; these they show to others. Moreover, from their point of view, the beauty of relationships contributes to success.

With close people, they can be soft and affectionate, expressing warm feelings and soulful disposition, or firm—and if necessary, unyielding. They know how to apply pressure through both words and behavior. Family means a great deal to them. And in society, they are ready to defend family values, believing that only by attaining them does a person become truly happy and successful.

Drayzer is a caring person, sympathetic to the unhappy and disadvantaged. Those who cannot provide for or serve themselves must not be offended. It is physically unpleasant for Drayzer to observe people living in unsanitary conditions, in ugliness instead of beauty, in discomfort instead of coziness. They believe that living in such conditions humiliates human dignity. Let it be modest, but clean, tidy, and "humane." In their opinion—with which it is hard to disagree—society should spend effort and allocate funds to create decent living conditions for all people.

Drayzer also puts their views and principles into practice. As a person possessing the ability to see and create the beautiful, beauty-loving, an aesthete by nature, they bring aesthetics and taste to everything they do. They spare neither strength nor time in arranging their own territory. Moreover, Drayzer usually looks dignified, knowing how to care for their appearance, clothing, hairstyle, and accessories. They dress appropriately and with great taste, expressing themselves through things and clothes. Every item fits the event, matches other items, and even blends with the surrounding environment.

Understanding fashion, they prefer their own style and strive toward their own ideal of beauty. And they know how to do the same for close, dear people. They know how to insist if loved ones misunderstand the importance of appearance and its influence on others.

For Drayzer themselves, beauty is a very important concept. Beauty in literally everything, including the beauty of traditions and rituals. No one else in the socion understands and feels the need to maintain traditions like Drayzer. After all, they were formed over centuries, did not arise by chance; they reflect the experience of human coexistence—a shared life in which everyone must sacrifice part of their individuality for the common good and harmony, for the productive interaction of people. For while we are all so different, we are all humans and equal in general, in the universal.

A reverent attitude toward traditions and the arrangement of life in a common home leads Drayzer to underestimate individual qualities of people, the importance of internal motivation for them, and the right to diversity of self-expression—the necessity of which is required for creativity and the development of human abilities. But overall, Drayzers lean toward democracy. Therefore, a person who brings a creative approach to life and especially to work through their own personal example will greatly enrich their inner world and contribute to expanding Drayzer's sometimes overly conservative assessments.

Drayzer wants predictability from people. Unpredictability is a source of stress for them. And it is often perceived as bad manners or lack of culture.

Drayzer constantly expects trouble from an unpredictable person, especially from those who pride themselves on being unlike others. No less burdensome to Drayzer is the contradictoriness or uncertainty of both situations and words. In this vagueness, they feel difficult and uncomfortable. And they need a person who can make sense of uncertainty and choose the necessary line of behavior without unnecessary words. Drayzer needs a person who does not doubt their own abilities and actively overcomes and anticipates difficulties. Such a person will help Drayzer feel the full same of life, prevent them from being only an observer and evaluator, and make them a direct participant in interesting events. Respect for exactly such a person and the need for them raises self-esteem and evokes gratitude from Drayzer—loyalty not only to this person but also to the cause they are engaged in.

Drayzer is also grateful for clearly outlined prospects of some beginning, enterprise, or project. Naturally, if this comes from a person whom Drayzer trusts. A person who does not fail in a difficult moment, comes to help on time, and does not doubt their own competence.

Drayzer respects people not only for moral principles and the need for ethical beauty but also for business qualities, pragmatism, business acumen and ingenuity, an active lifestyle, and entrepreneurial talent. They themselves strive to master new skills and abilities, to find work that is "to their heart" and suits their capabilities.

Drayzer's capacity for work is high; they love to work with full dedication, while not forgetting household chores, care for loved ones, and the climate in the group. In work, they strive to handle everyday problems independently, applying their skills in practice. But if a problem is such that it cannot be solved by their own strength, they seek help and guidance. They do so tactfully, trying not to take up unnecessary time. However, they can firmly defend the social requirements of the group. For this reason, they are often put forward by the group as a parliamentarian in negotiations with management. But these requirements mostly concern working conditions that affect people's labor and their well-being.

It is difficult for Drayzer to evaluate their work in material equivalents. They hope for a fair assessment of their work from others. And although they do not like change, having left a place where their work was not properly valued, they even take pride that the changes contributed to an improvement in their material well-being and status.

At work, Drayzer does not only work but also educates people. And since they are attuned to status, the educational attitude toward colleagues and superiors differs. In Drayzer's opinion, no boss, regardless of how high a post they hold, possesses absolute permissiveness. They are obliged to pay attention to the needs of people. This is what Drayzer will say if necessary, and in such a form that will work on a specific boss.

Among colleagues, Drayzer usually has their own narrow circle of people whom they help through concrete actions. And it is pleasant for Drayzer if this circle enjoys respect and influence in the group. They always keep track of the balance of power. They do not fail their own and protect them before strangers, using their strong qualities.

Within their circle, Drayzer cares about good relationships, managing to both work and talk about children and families, giving concrete advice on establishing relationships in difficult family situations. However, they listen more than they speak. And they try to encourage a person who finds themselves in a difficult position through their own kind attitude toward them.

They are very responsive to the pain, suffering, and misfortunes of people. To real misfortunes, not whining without a serious reason. They do not like to console; instead, they strive to do something good or pleasant for the person, to give a sense of security and stability. Putting themselves in another's shoes and measuring an action toward that person against their own sensations and feelings, Drayzer takes the side of the offended party and lets them know this through care and ethical evaluations. But they can also scold if a person exaggerates their grievances or has behaved unworthily themselves.


* * *

In childhood, Drayzer is an obedient and loving child who respects the authority of elders. A real gift for parents—neat, not boisterous, not noisy, a diligent student who treats assignments responsibly. Although they sometimes show stubbornness.

Drayzers choose friends according to their own taste, though trying not to upset their parents; they share secrets with them (friends can be sure that a secret entrusted even to a little Drayzer will be kept), they joke—though they do not like mean jokes, nor surprises or pranks, especially those that put a person in a funny or ridiculous light.

They are often fond of dancing, singing, listening to music, photographing, reading classics, doing crafts, and love nature. Dexterity and plasticity of movement, their strength and appropriateness—attract the sympathy of others toward young Drayzers. A personal opinion not always voiced, combined with the ability to stand up for themselves, protect a friend, constancy in attachments reaching the point of loyalty, beautiful things, and innate ethical wisdom make them authoritative among peers. Parents are all the more glad for such a friend for their children and happy to see them in their home. But Drayzer is a homebody. They visit others rarely so as not to cause inconvenience to the people receiving them. Surprisingly, they understand such things from very early childhood.

But if Drayzer "goes out into the world," they try to spend time for the benefit of soul and body. For their guests, they will also try their utmost.

In friendship and love, Drayzer manifests their best qualities. They will support in a difficult moment, tell the truth if required, and do so as is necessary for the specific person—softly and tactfully, or firmly and weightily.

They forgive much to their friends, loved ones, and beloveds. Much, but not everything. Betrayal, especially public betrayal, will never be fully forgiven. Although relationships may be restored over time, these will already be different relationships. Drayzer will shut the door to their soul.

Drayzer protects true, loyal friends in every way from attacks by outsiders, allowing no one to speak ill of them.


* * *

As mentioned above, family is very important for Drayzer. It is important not only as a relationship but also as their territory, their home cozy world, where they feel best.

In the family, Drayzers are active, expressing their love through practical care and soulful participation. They combine tactfulness, caution in speech, and volitional pressure when it comes to things that are important to them. In terms of ethics, morale, and morality, they tend to mold a person to themselves more than they mold themselves to others, thereby removing the need for ethical choice from their loved ones.

They are very organized, planning in advance how and what they will do, but they also try to do this as quickly as possible. They do not like to wait, and even less do they like it when others wait for them.

They do household chores constantly, inconspicuously, without resting their hands, working for the family's well-being. In their home there is cleanliness, order, coziness, beauty; everyone is fed, clothes and shoes are prepared. If someone falls ill, Drayzer does everything to cure them. They understand the fastest methods of treatment. And they do not demand special gratitude for all this. Although sincere gratitude, which gives Drayzer a sense of being needed, is very pleasant. Even more pleasant is a gift on some date. Not so much quality and cost are valued as attention. An overly expensive gift from someone not very close forces them to reciprocate, and therefore does not bring great pleasure. From a close person—it's a completely different matter.

Loyalty, devotion, the ability to resolve everyday conflicts, external attractiveness, the ability to present oneself in society and arrange family life—these are the qualities that attract a partner to them.

In raising children, they are responsible, sometimes even too much. For them, upbringing is not only a lifelong duty but also a great responsibility—to themselves, to their loved ones, to society, and finally, to the child itself. Some Drayzers devote themselves so much to their children or husband that they may forget about themselves.

They show special care for full and healthy nutrition, creating conditions by organizing the living space so that it is convenient for children and they are surrounded by aesthetic, tastefully chosen things. However, they treat the spoiling of these things by children quite critically.

The main thing for a Drayzer-parent is that the child grows into a good, worthy person, hardworking and honest. Less attention is paid to the child's talents and inclinations, but talents discovered by others (usually authorities in that activity) or vividly manifested by the child themselves are respected by Drayzer. They allow them to engage in favorite activities and encourage this.

Drayzer parents are simultaneously caring and strict; they accustom children to order, discipline, and considering the needs of others. Even adult children report where they are, who they are talking to, and when they will return home. Drayzer knows how to demand or evoke respect for themselves as a parent, but they also know how to respect the child, especially when the child becomes an adult and has their own affairs and concerns.

Drayzer is a demanding and responsible person, restrained and correct. They know how to be friends and love, although winning their favor is not so easy.

And although moral evaluations are made by them based on orientation toward their own intuition and vision of moral problems, the moral values of people with this type coincide with and reflect those moral values that prevail in a specific society. The loss or forfeiture of moral values as factors of stability and conditions for human interaction is experienced by Drayzers close to heart.

Understanding the needs of others and approaching their own with respect, evaluating the actions of others and adhering to principles of morality in their own actions, Drayzer asks much of others. But they themselves do not spare time and strength to correspond to these principles.

For them, it is very important to feel that society demands these values and that they are needed by a specific group as well as by their loved ones.

In family and society, Drayzer is the guardian of stability, ethical-social values, and the culture of relationships and own home. By word and deed, they prove to people the viability and necessity of their ethical principles. They believe in eternal values and do not let us forget them, so that in the process of social progress, the main thing for which this progress occurs is not lost—that which made and preserves a human as a human.
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

Statistics

Welcome our newest member: Emil