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Nothing complicated.
Just arguments for and against the current game mechanics and plot.
Arguments Against
1. It is not specified how damage is calculated.
2. The trading system is not specified.
3. Imbalance with the spell system.
4. Difficulty in calculating skills and imbalance of some abilities (especially those of the Gnomes).
5. Artificial increase in difficulty for the Rebels (and yet, Magnus gained 5 levels and an army of 1,000,000 warriors in one run. Meanwhile, I, for example, am disguised and haven't given any reason to reveal myself, but I am exposed by 25 Archangels. And... a cloak for 40 silver? Is it gold-plated?)
6. General primitiveness of the plot (and again, imbalance - 5 against 3, is that normal?) and its inconsistency in at least one aspect - the Light Elf and the Dark Elf can only cooperate if it is bad for both of them. But in a relatively peaceful time, they will immediately try to tear each other apart.
Arguments For
1. Familiarity for those who have played Heroes.
2. Easy start for the Empire.
3. Convenience of playing as the Empire.
4. Familiar system of spells and transformations (and it is unclear why I should become a vampire if I only become weaker).
5. Familiar atmosphere of chat battles.
6. There is something to do for those playing RPG-1 while RPG-2 is being developed.

Purely subjective conclusions.
Please also share YOUR conclusions after playing.




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Cons:
-Complete imbalance
-Poor GM activity. Honestly, I don't know who the GMs are here.
-Damage and magic systems... they simply don't exist. And a bunch of numbers will disappear again.
-Some ideas are not used at all (alchemy, for example)
-Rebels are completely awful. I understand that it's quite realistic, but suppressing any attempts at active action from the rebels...
Pros:
-Super ability: Want to gain respect and be a cool guy - say "Praise the Emperor"
-You can write a couple of posts and get away with just one or two sentences.
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I also think there are problems with magic and gaining levels!
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Nothing complicated.
Just arguments for and against the current game mechanics and plot.
Arguments Against
1. It is not specified how damage is calculated.
2. The trading system is not specified.
3. Imbalance with the spell system.
4. Difficulty in calculating skills and imbalance of some abilities (especially those of the Gnomes).
5. Artificial increase in the difficulty for the Rebels (and meanwhile, Magnus gained 5 levels and an army of 1,000,000 warriors just by running around. And while I, for example, am disguised and haven't given any reason to reveal myself, I am exposed by 25 Archangels. And... a cloak for 40 silver? Is it gold-plated?)
6. General primitiveness of the plot (and again, imbalance - 5 against 3, is that normal?) and its inconsistency in at least one aspect - the Light Elf and the Dark Elf can only COOPERATE if it is bad for both of them. But in a relatively peaceful time, they will immediately try to tear each other apart.
Arguments For
1. Familiarity for those who have played Heroes.
2. Ease of starting with the Empire.
3. Convenience of playing as the Empire.
4. Familiar system of spells and transformations (and it is unclear why I should become a vampire if I only become weaker).
5. Familiar atmosphere of chat battles.
6. There is something for those playing RPG-1 to do while RPG-2 is being developed.

Purely subjective conclusions.
Please also share YOUR conclusions after playing.
1. Damage is not calculated because there is no damage from harvesting. It has not been implemented yet. And the damage is equal to weapon damage + attack. Attack determines how many monsters the hero can attack, except for 1.
2. The trading system is being prepared. As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.
5. Tengro, when you were disguised, did you complete a storyline quest? You are just sitting in some swamp and not completing the storyline quest! And then, STOP MAKING A MESS OUT OF THE RPG! Especially this applies to the Knight. I understand that it's funny, but it gets annoying after a while.
6. THIS is again a matter of competence. I listed the peaceful races, and the rest are invaders. But there is the Brotherhood of Darkness, which accepts everyone. And then, a Light Elf and a Dark Elf together: Railag and Faydaen. Might and Magic 8. TES
Cons:
-1 Complete imbalance
-2 Poor activity of GMs. To be honest, I don't know who the GMs are here.
-3 No damage or magic systems. And a bunch of numbers will disappear again.
-4 Some ideas are not used at all (alchemy, for example)
-5 The Rebels are in a bad state. I understand that it is quite realistic, but suppressing any attempts at active action by the Rebels...
Pros:
-6 Super ability: Want to gain respect and be a super guy - say "Glory to the Emperor"
-7 You can write a couple of posts and write one or two sentences.
1. Where is that?
2. There are no GMs here, only Magisters. And I am a Magister.
3. Magic exists. Damage from harvesting is under development.
4. What do I have to do with it? Why aren't you using it?
5. And the Rebels are completing the storyline quest. And the Rebels are behaving normally, and the Rebels have joined the Brotherhood of Darkness?
6. See 5.
7. This is everywhere. And then, what is the point of padding posts? Maybe we should move the whole forum to a chat?
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6. ME
And this is exactly what "otherwise, it will be bad for both of us" means.
5. Disguised – well, I wasn't walking around with my fangs bared! And then, out of nowhere, 25 Archangels catch me (WHERE DID THEY COME FROM??? EVERYONE WENT TO THE FRONT!!!)
5 Knight
I don't know about Knight, but I, SUPR, we behave normally.
Regarding the storyline quest – did we get it IN THE GAME? You gave it to yourself. And we, HONEST ROLEPLAYERS, can't read assignments from other players. And, is joining the Brotherhood mandatory? Then what about freedom? And, again... All players IN THE GAME know about the Dark Brotherhood and how to join it... Am I the only stupid one, or are they geniuses?
And Knight is right about point 6. The mechanism is simple – play as the Empire, and NOTHING will bother you. Play as the rebels – and a peasant will recognize a disguised vampire as a vampire, and if he doesn't, 25 archangels will crawl out of the AIR and put the scoundrel who doesn't want to die in jail.

Here's another argument AGAINST

The lack of logical (or is it inhuman logic?) justification for almost EVERYTHING (Jack shoots from cannons... WHAT CANNONS? Magnus gains 5 levels for running. I didn't get even a single experience point for the cut monster cave...).
And... allow me to express my dissatisfaction with your work.
Because the role of GM (even if it's called GRAND MASTER OF THE TEMPLARS, the essence is the same) is to MAINTAIN BALANCE BETWEEN PLAYERS OF DIFFERENT FACTIONS.
So, either give us a second Grand Master – for the Darkness. Or step out of the conflict.




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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(Jack fires from cannons... WHAT CANNONS? Magnus gains 5 levels for running. I didn't get even a single experience point for the cut monster cave...)
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Just ordinary cannons that were on the ship... You know, like in adventure movies, pirate movies... they shoot from those!
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6. ME
And this is exactly what "otherwise, it will be bad for both of us" means.
5. I was disguised – well, I wasn't walking around with my fangs bared! And then this guy catches me with 25 Archangels (WHERE DID THEY COME FROM??? EVERYONE WENT TO THE FRONT!!!)
5 Knight
I don't know about Knight, but I, SUPR, we behave normally.
Regarding the storyline quest – did we get it IN THE GAME? You gave it to yourself. And we, HONEST ROLEPLAYERS, can't read assignments from other players. And what, is joining the Brotherhood mandatory? Then what about freedom? And again... Here, all players IN THE GAME know about the Dark Brotherhood and how to join it... Am I the only stupid one, or are they geniuses?
And Knight is right about point 6. The mechanism is simple – play as the Empire, and NOTHING will interfere with you. Play as the rebels – and a peasant will see a vampire in disguise, and if he doesn't, 25 archangels will crawl out of the AIR and put the scoundrel who doesn't want to die in jail.

Hence, another argument AGAINST

The lack of logical (or is it inhuman logic?) justification for almost EVERYTHING (Jack shoots from cannons... WHAT CANNONS? Magnus gains 5 levels for running. I didn't get even a single experience point for the cut monster cave...).
And... allow me to express my dissatisfaction with your work.
Because the role of the GM (even if it's called GRAND MASTER OF THE TEMPLARS, the essence is the same) is to MAINTAIN BALANCE BETWEEN PLAYERS OF DIFFERENT FACTIONS.
So, either give us a second Grand Master – for the Darkness. Or step out of the conflict.
6. And in TES III, don't they kill dark elves and altmers? Did they declare a hunt? And in Might and Magic 8, it is written that there used to be conflicts, but now there are none.
5. This is because you were roleplaying other characters, for example, a priest. You created an imbalance. But I decided to teach you a lesson.
5.2 But you saved Knight, and in general, I think the argument is endless. So, what do you need?
And there were cannons. For example, in Might and Magic 8. There were cannons
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I understand... BUT WHAT DID THEY FORGET IN A WORLD WHERE GUNPOWDER HASN'T BEEN INVENTED YET?
TES, Might and Magic 8...
It's a slightly different setting, isn't it?
They forgot about point 5 :) You're right. They swept it under the rug.




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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I understand... BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN A WORLD WHERE GUNPOWDER DOESN'T EXIST YET?
I knew you would say that... take a look at Smoke's and Supra's profiles... it will be even more interesting... besides, there is alchemy... gunpowder is a relatively early invention, it was first used in China (sorry, I don't remember the year... but it appeared in Europe later... and gunpowder is not necessary in this case:p a good alchemist can create a substance similar to gunpowder!!!!!!
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What's so bad about my application?...
Ничего нет только у мёртвого - у живого есть хотя бы жизнь...
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Magnus, why don't you want to make Tengro the GM of the Dark faction? Let him give quests to the rebels!

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What's so bad about my application?...


He's talking about the MP3 player!
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NO!
I'M ALREADY A GM!
LET THE GMs BE FREE!!!




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Where is the map editor?... Please provide the coordinates (line number, etc.)!
Ничего нет только у мёртвого - у живого есть хотя бы жизнь...
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I only played the 6th Might and Magic game :) So... there were lasers there...:D Can I get one of those? Then 25 Archangels won't scare me:smile08:
What bothers me the most is the abruptness of the storyline; if you try to improvise and do something, they throw you in jail... without any conversation. You get used to it, then you go to break out, and suddenly you're teleported to a desert... And after that, Magnus, you're upset about the roleplaying of NPCs? By the way, Teng wasn't roleplaying someone else's character... Well, okay, you taught him a lesson... but why throw everyone else into the unknown? Maybe give them a chance to get out of situations instead of immediately sending them to the ninth circle of hell...
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Yes, that's what I meant by a lack of logic...
No, the project is promising...
But something needs to be done about the plot's erratic pacing (sometimes it rushes forward, and in the next post, it comes to a halt...).




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

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