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12 years ago
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Killer Instincts,
I recommend reading the history, and not just in relation to Crimea, but also of the entire southeast of Ukraine.
What's wrong with that?
And what about the French? I didn't understand that part.
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12 years ago
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You invite others, but will you go yourself?
Well, um, well, um, well, I guess.
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12 years ago
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I might even go, in any case, I have someone to go with.
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12 years ago
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Killer Instincts,
what's wrong with that?
What do the French have to do with it? I didn't understand that part.
During Catherine's reign, this entire region, along with Crimea, was called Taurida. It was conquered from the Turks and the Crimean horde (which at that time was still called that – the last echo of the great Golden Horde) by the most brilliant Prince Potemkin (for this service, he received the addition to his surname – Tavrichesky) together with Suvorov. And not only did he conquer it, but he also developed it, created many cities (by the way, the southeast of Ukraine at that time was a desolate, sparsely populated steppe), and essentially laid the foundation for the modern southeast of Ukraine. In doing so, he eliminated the real military threat not only to the entire Russian Empire but also, in particular, to Ukraine, which was the first to be in danger from Turkish and Tatar raids. Study history, not the hysteria of modern fascists.
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Under Catherine, this entire region, along with Crimea, was called Taurida. It was conquered from the Turks and the Crimean horde (which at that time was still called that – the last echo of the great Golden Horde) by the most brilliant Prince Potemkin (for this service, he received the addition to his surname – Taurichesky) together with Suvorov. And not only did he conquer it, but he also developed it, created many cities (by the way, the southeast of Ukraine at that time was a desolate, sparsely populated steppe), and essentially laid the foundation for the modern southeast of Ukraine. In doing so, he eliminated the real military threat not only to the entire Russian Empire but also, in particular, to Ukraine, which was the first to be in danger from Turkish and Tatar raids. Study history, not the hysteria of modern fascists.

Conquered?

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Gur
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Under Catherine, this entire region, along with Crimea, was called Taurida. It was conquered from the Turks and the Crimean horde (which was still called that at the time – the last echo of the great Golden Horde) by the brilliant Prince Potemkin (who received the addition to his surname – Tavrichesky – for this service) together with Suvorov. And not only did they conquer it, but they also developed it, created many cities (by the way, the southeast of Ukraine at that time was a desolate, sparsely populated steppe), and essentially laid the foundation for the modern southeast of Ukraine. This eliminated the real military threat not only to the entire Russian Empire but also, in particular, to Ukraine, which was the first to be in danger during raids by the Turks and Tatars. Study history, not the hysteria of modern fascists.
It should also be added that the Crimean Khan was a vassal of Turkey and coordinated his position with the Sultan. And Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (a union of Poland and Lithuania, which merged as a result of the marriage of their rulers, with Poland playing the main role). The Hetman of Ukraine was appointed by the Polish king, and those who did not want to fawn over the Polish nobles went to the Zaporozhian Sich and eastward, settling the free steppes.
And also, in 1854-55, the British and French united and tried to seize Crimea (I don't remember the reason – I'm too lazy to look it up). Apparently, they live very close by – just behind the neighboring fence – and saw this as being in their direct interest. And now they can't calm down that it was Russia, not them, that took control of Crimea.
It was not Russia that went to conquer France in 1812 and Germany in 1941, but the other way around. However, as a result, both were soundly defeated. And among the troops of Nazi Germany that attacked the USSR was the Galicia division, consisting of Ukrainian Nazis. Perhaps Russia does have imperial ambitions, but in the company of such monsters, there is no other way to behave.
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12 years ago
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dnaop-wr
Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (a union of Poland and Lithuania, which merged as a result of the marriage of their rulers, with Poland playing the main role).

The reason?

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Gur
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12 years ago
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Dnaor, the Anglo-French did not conquer Crimea. The situation was quite different. Specifically, it was a war between Russia and Turkey, which threatened to strengthen the former and lead to the collapse of the latter. Our European colleagues did not particularly want the emergence of a multitude of Slavic states in the Balkans and the unrestricted rule of the Empire in the Black Sea, so they helped Turkey. And Crimea was simply a convenient place for landing.
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12 years ago
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Dnaor, the Anglo-French did not capture Crimea. There was a completely different background. Namely, the war between Russia and Turkey, which threatened to strengthen the former and lead to the collapse of the latter. Our European colleagues did not really want a bunch of Slavic states to emerge in the Balkans and for the Empire to have undivided rule in the Black Sea, so they helped Turkey. And Crimea was just a convenient place for a landing.
I already wrote that (I don't remember the reason - I'm too lazy to look it up). They only captured Sevastopol, Russia's main naval base in the Black Sea. But if Russia had been too weak, they would not have stopped there.

Gur
I won't answer this right away - I've been interested in it for a long time. From memory, I'll add that after the collapse of Kievan Rus', part of the territory, now called Ukraine, came under the control of Lithuania. However, there was no big problem with this, because the Lithuanians treated the Ukrainians loyally. Until, as a result of a monarchical marriage, Lithuania merged with Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was formed. If you want to clarify the details, read the history of Ukraine, both Soviet and pre-revolutionary authors, you can also look into the history of Poland. Just don't read nationalists who lie without a twinge of conscience. For example, I have a whole shelf of books in Ukrainian, published in the USSR. And they shout from the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada to the whole world that in those same years the Ukrainian language was banned in the USSR.
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12 years ago
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Gur
I won't be able to answer that right away – it's something I've been interested in for a while. From memory, I'll add that after the collapse of Kievan Rus', part of the territory, now known as Ukraine, came under the control of Lithuania. However, this wasn't a major problem, as the Lithuanians treated the Ukrainians with loyalty. Until, as a result of a monarchical marriage, Lithuania united with Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was formed. If you want to clarify the details, read the history of Ukraine, both Soviet and pre-revolutionary authors, you can also delve into the history of Poland. Just don't read nationalists who lie without a twinge of conscience. For example, I have an entire bookshelf of books in Ukrainian, published in the USSR. And they shout from the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada to the whole world that in those same years, the Ukrainian language was banned in the USSR.

Really?

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Gur
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I wrote that (I don't remember the reason - I'm too lazy to look it up). They only captured Sevastopol, Russia's main naval base on the Black Sea. But if Russia had been too weak, they wouldn't have stopped there.
They forced Russia to make peace with Turkey, and the peace was quite unfavorable to Russia considering its victories, so their goal was 100% achieved. Perhaps, if Russia had been weaker, the terms of the peace would have been even worse, but the capture of Crimea by the English and French was not planned, and that's what I'm getting at.
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a.k, I don't read such "fascists," as you put it, and moreover, I don't know who you were referring to. dnaop-wr, could you share the title, author, and year of publication in a private message? I'll look for scans on torrents and online. It would be interesting to read.
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12 years ago
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Something like this happened to me last weekend. Around eleven in the evening, I brushed my teeth as usual, said my prayers, and went to bed. At first, I didn't notice anything unusual, but then, already lying in bed, I felt a strange smell. The first thing that came to mind was to close the window, as the smell could have been coming from outside. That didn't help; the smell only intensified. Then I started looking for its source. I checked everything from the hallway to the balcony, but I didn't find anything strange. And when I returned to the bedroom, I heard a quiet munching sound coming from under the bed. Alerted, I grabbed a menorah from the table and was ready for anything, peering under the bed. And to my horror! What I saw there! Two Bandera supporters – radical, fascist, extremist, terrorist – were eating lard! Right under my bed! I wasn't prepared for that! Realizing they had been discovered, they grabbed their Schmeisser submachine guns and pointed them at me. Crawling out from under the bed, they started waving the weapons at me and saying something in their language. Of course, I didn't understand anything, which made them angry, and they were about to start beating me, but then, unexpectedly, Putin burst into the room, disarmed and subdued them both with a few deft moves. That's how it was! You never know! Then, guys from the Crimean self-defense forces arrived in several armored personnel carriers. They took the damned enemies and drove them away to be executed. It turns out these Bandera supporters – radicals, fascists, extremists, terrorists – had been operating in my house for a long time. And how could I have been so inattentive? All the gas cylinders turned out to be empty, and there was no gas left even in the lighter. And all the history books had been completely rewritten! Seeing me sadly flipping through the rewritten book, Putin came up to me, put his hand on my shoulder, and said, "It's okay. I'll write new ones for you!" After these words, I shook his hand, thanked him sincerely for saving me, and we had a drink to world peace. That's the kind of interesting story it is. Be vigilant, comrades! By the way, the smell lingered for three days.
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12 years ago
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Today, Tymoshenko called me and said that she would sleep with me if I used dark magic to turn everyone living in Crimea into zombie-worshippers who would immediately swear allegiance back to Ukraine, join NATO, and start World War III.
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12 years ago
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Good thing you're asexual, otherwise Russia would be in trouble.

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