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Uranium235
So, you only perceive yourself as not being part of the mafia...
I understand.
But you don't perceive yourself; you *are* the mafia. I understand.
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Who had questions about the roles, wouldn't you like to write a plan on how each role should act?
Because I've forgotten a bit of what and how.

And if we can come up with the perfect questionnaire that allows us to accurately identify the bad guy, then that's what we should do.

Added 3 minutes ago
Strictly speaking, it is not a forbidden tactic:
to pre-determine exactly what questions the journalist asks.
To write down the answer that the peaceful role should give for all controversial points, because the infected person simply won't be able to answer that way.
And that's it, if there's a poll in the newspaper, we'll immediately know the side of the person being polled.

Added 14 minutes ago
Damn, I was writing and accidentally closed the page.
Fragment, if you ask Dankovsky or Block:
"Can you be infected? Is the truth for them yes or no?
Is it true that the Rat Prophet and the Plague should answer "no" if asked truthfully, because their abilities prevent them from being infected?

Added 10 minutes ago
Basically, the plan for the poll is quite simple. To accurately determine if someone is infected or not, and if possible, to distinguish Mafia from Neutral.
The first option, if Fragment answers as I expect:
Are you from the town? (regarding their side)
Can you be infected? (regarding their abilities)
Do you have more than one ultimate ability? (regarding their special ability)
It's very preliminary.
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I'm reading your messages... it feels like everyone except Yashur and me is in the Mafia.
In the Mafia, we have Vishmaster, Gur, and Nebo; in the Maniacs, we have Drakkosha. We'll eliminate them one by one and win. :D We can start eliminating the Maniac from day 4.
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.

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So, folks.
I'm here now. When night ends, we won't have much time to chat, and by the time the newspaper comes out, I'll probably be unavailable.
We need to take advantage of the opportunity now, rather than complaining later that I'm not around.
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I hope that by the time Vishmaster arrives, everyone will have already submitted their NDs. Otherwise, we'll have to wait another 24 hours...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.

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Yashur...
Apply your knowledge of the set.
I want opinions on which role is better to be expressed not only by me.
And I don't want to start first, otherwise it will be like usual: mages will approve my ideas, and the players will do the opposite.
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Are you a town role? (regarding alignment)
Can you be infected? (regarding abilities)
Do you have more than one ultimate ability? (regarding night actions)

It's a bit complicated.
Let's clarify whether infection is a killing night action (as I understand it, yes). And whether Clara's ability is a killing night action (as I understand it, no). And if I understand correctly, the question about night actions is: "Do you have at least one killing night action?"

I still need to think about the question regarding abilities.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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Yashchur...
Apply your knowledge of the Set.
I want opinions on which role is better to use, and not just from me.
Um... You see, Uran... I'm not sure if we can do that right now...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.

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Why not? Night hasn't been called yet. They could have just as easily determined the optimal tactic before the Neutral Day (ND), but it might not have been beneficial. Another question is that I personally don't feel like it.
Are you a town member? (based on your role)
Can you be infected? (based on your abilities)
Do you have more than one ultimate ability? (based on the ND)
So, here we have two special roles – Man and Clara. As I understand it, both have multiple ultimates and cannot be infected. Well, we need to work out the possible answers. It's good that Man looks different, but there are doubts about the Mafia.
 

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It's not night yet, so I don't see a reason not to talk.
Here's one option:

1. Are you Town? (based on faction)
2. Do you have a kill role? (based on role)
3. Is your second status "aggressive"? (based on status)

Added 8 minutes later
According to my calculations, these three questions reveal Town and Sheriff. So, it's not worth relying on them. However, the Sheriff (if they weren't the one being interviewed) can take the results into account. And in the worst case, you can always question the player again to determine if they are Mafia or not.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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Nope. Any scenario where there's a loophole in the poll that allows a negative player to avoid being identified as negative is invalid when the alternative action to the poll is a block.

Added 1 minute ago
Not only is it possible, but it's necessary, Lizard. I'd like to remind you that when it comes to actions within your role, you don't necessarily have to tell the truth. So, a vote cannot be used as a basis for a modkill. Moreover, I'm only concerned with the actions themselves, not their goals.
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Why do you think a Fortress archer wouldn't be able to handle a clear Necropolis unit? Everything will be obvious for him. And if the Fortress archer gets killed, well, okay, only negative feedback with such answers will remain.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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Cop, what doubts can there be? I'm proceeding from the assumption that all mafia and neutrals are not the town and are not immune. Also, Clara is definitely immune, so with the third question, we separate her from the rest of the "bad guys." At the same time, the poll finds a neutral. Because for him, the answer to the third question is true, and, of course, we tell all the townspeople to lie in the answer to the third question. That is, we directly say, in bold and larger font. We don't guess what options there are, but clearly tell the town to only lie on the third question. That is, all townspeople except Clara answer yes, yes, yes*. Clara: yes, yes, no*. A neutral can answer: Yes*, no, yes, no, yes*, yes, no, no, no*. Mafia can answer: Yes*, no, no, no, yes*, no, no, no, no*. In essence, this is a clear distinction between town/not town. The mafia can reveal themselves as mafia or pretend to be a neutral; obviously, they will choose the latter. A neutral can reveal themselves as a neutral or maintain the ambiguity of neutral/mafia, although the mafia will still find out the truth. Added 3 minutes later I think the poll is only relevant in the first night; after that, if the seer remains alive, he will become a blocker. And I think that if the poll has a clear negative result, the first hanging will definitely end with the execution of a mafia member or the understanding of who the neutral is. In the case where a player has a chance of being a sharpshooter, this will not happen. At the same time, for the mafia itself, he will be revealed, after which he will live for a certain amount of time.
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Of course, I would like to hear Fragment's answer regarding whether it is true for Block and Bachelor when asked, "can you be infected?" Ideally, the answer should be "yes." Fragment, is that correct?
In principle, if you want a guarantee of non-infectability, then (if Fragment confirms) it will be guaranteed as follows:

1. Are you a city? (regarding faction)
2. Do you have a killing ability? (regarding skills)
3. Can you be infected? (regarding special characteristics)
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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