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9 years ago
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No, there's no point in arguing.
The proportionality between the initial accusations and the final violation, based on which a decision was made, is roughly like sending a gangster to prison for a bag of marijuana. :)
(Not diminishing the merits of the investigators who "worked on" the case for several years).
There are tournament judges, and there are rules established by them, from which it directly follows that if you don't like something, you can withdraw. You can argue with the decision at most on a joking level. The samurai "smiles and waves."
(just in case, jokes aside, I'm rooting for Helllight!).
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9 years ago
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HellLighT
There's a difference between violating ethics, which is what 95% of WTS players suffer from, and violating the game rules, which could have led to changes in the game (2 stats taken before major cons could have influenced the rest of the game). Your opinion seems biased to me.
I seem to treat you much better than I treat Tofsle.
Have you at least offered sincere apologies to your opponent?
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9 years ago
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I wrote to him that I overreacted. Regarding bias – it's like a division into "us" and "them" (I'm not originally a "WT" character), so even on a subconscious level, I might evoke negativity in those who have always been there.
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9 years ago
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HellLighT
I told him that I overreacted.
Respect!
The question for Mee remains open.
Maybe Katerina will answer?
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9 years ago
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Especially for Samurai: We can draw the following conclusions: player Samurai confirmed the game report with HellLighT, which means there were no complaints about the game. Furthermore, both of them played against their opponents in different game matches. Ambra and Tofsla are not obligated to replay any games if anyone has doubts about the games already completed in the round.
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9 years ago
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Katherine
Especially for Samurai:
We can draw the following conclusions: player Samurai confirmed the game report with HellLighT, which means there were no complaints about the game. Furthermore, both of them played against their opponents in different game lobbies. Ambra and Tofsla are not obligated to replay anything if anyone has doubts about the games of the completed round.
Thank you, we are treating the symptoms, not the disease.
Especially for Katherine:
In case of defeat, it's better not to confirm the report, but to accuse the opponent of cheating (maphacking)!
Even if it's not justified, all saves will be checked for completely different violations, including taking items past the guards. If they find violations, the game will be canceled. Without risking anything, you can calmly accuse.
For all players to take note.
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9 years ago
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Man, that's a really weird decision. Of course, Tofsla can, let's put it mildly, be annoying; but in any case, it's funny to read these pathetic conclusions about a significant change in the gameplay due to hiring a schoolkid and giving him a boost. If there is a rematch, I wish Tofsla would repeat his performance and play well! Good luck!
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9 years ago
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HellLighT (Blue, Swamp, Broghild) def Tofsla (Red, Necro, Galthran) Mini-nostalgia 124

We captured all the resists, on the computer respawns and mine, 2 hives and a Conservatory were lost, started gathering at 121, by 124 I was in a Flaxian treasure set and was preparing to take the bibla, 2 hives + boots, also had a Dragon Utopia, would have taken it on 125, but the opponent is tempoing and with 10 lords unsuccessfully tries to kill a ГО from Thunderbirds, a surrender follows, thanks for the game.

p.s. Guys, the decision was of course made by Mee, since I am an interested party, but little tricks like "can I have an autosave" or "I broke the rules a little" (I'm speaking in general about things I've seen and heard multiple times on the WT platform, not about this specific situation) I consider complete nonsense. This is a money tournament, don't do things you're not sure about. If you read the regulations poorly, reread them (that's what I do when I'm in doubt). For a controversial point, contact the hosts and judges. What makes you think that a violation of the game rules should be ignored? In ongoing tournaments, a defeat was awarded immediately for less.
For my part, I have already said that I was wrong in presenting my opinion as the only correct one, and also lost my temper discussing the opponent's actions, although you are now acting no better with your insinuations.
p.p.s. Regarding the analysis of all games in a row, naturally, a specific and substantial argumentation, confirmed by some in-game actions, is needed for submitting saves for review. I believe I did not raise the issue out of nowhere; there were questions, I sent them to the judge for analysis regarding potential unfair play. If you think that only a single day's save is needed to assess this, you are mistaken; a full analysis of the game is underway, and no one is going to turn a blind eye to violations. (Unless the opponent himself is against it.)
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9 years ago
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The decision is very strict, and honestly, I feel sorry for Toefls, but in this case, I personally am completely unbiased and on Hellight's side. Back in the day, "when VT was dying" — about 4 years ago — I came to HW permanently and started playing in the tournaments here. Well, I will never forget the game against Toganash in one of the OZV tournaments, when AK forced a replay over something even more minor than a +1 upgrade bypass due to an unblocked guard. I was seriously pissed off back then and wanted to tell this entire HW to go [to hell] and stay there for a long time. But then I pulled myself together and concluded that the approach is correct — the rules are the same for everyone and for each. You can't "slightly minorly break [the rules]." Either you broke them, or you didn't.
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9 years ago
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=Lizard=
The decision is very strict, and honestly, I feel sorry for Tofsla, but in this case, I personally am completely unbiased on Helllight's side. Back in the day, "when WT was dying" — about 4 years ago, I came to HW permanently and started playing in tournaments here. So I'll never forget a game with Toganash in one of the OZV tournaments, when the AC forced a replay because of an even smaller detail than a +1 upgrade picked up without clearing the guard. I was seriously burned up back then, wanted to send all of HW far away for a long time. But then I pulled myself together and came to the conclusion that the approach was correct — the rules are the same for everyone. You can't "violate just a little bit." Either you violated, or you didn't.
well this is complete idiocy not correlating with real life. this approach would be logical and fair if 100% of saves were later checked for these minor violations instead of formally banning parties or, God forbid, awarding a victory if something accidentally came to light. everyone understands what affects the result and what doesn't, but clinging to every

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nonsense
is just a way to weasel out. I imagine if in real life, for stealing a loaf of bread and for killing a person, the punishment was execution. although in the "hungry years" it was like that. so apparently HW is going through hungry years in life)

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Conclusions on the game Helllight vs Tofsla

No obvious maphack was observed, and an implicit one could be imagined anywhere. Overall, Tofsla's moves have logic, including the last move, which probably raised the most questions.

BUT!

A detailed review of the moves revealed that on turn 116, Tofsla violated point "8" (Past the guard, you can only take resources, campfires, and mills — everything else must be cleared, even if you have control. First the guard is fought, then the object is picked up. For Jebus, you must clear the guard to enter the adjacent zone).
He took an upgrade and a Priest without clearing the guard, gaining +1 to attack and +1 to spell. Whether it was intentional or not, how much it affected the outcome — is not that important, the fact is the fact.

For the future: if in doubt, you should make a save (so as not to lose the timer) and send it to the judges for clarification, or, as a last resort, to an experienced player.

This is a tournament with prizes, let's all pay closer attention to the rules!

Result:

There was no maphack. The game results are voided, a replay is required with streams from both sides, to avoid repeating conflicts!
And I have a question for the highly respected Mee who found time to review the saves, but did not find time in a week to reply to me on Skype — which I messaged him on a week ago, which he provided for communication in the tournament. I even asked Andres to write to him via other sources, and MEE confirmed that "he would ping me soon," but somehow there's no reply. We are all adults here and everyone has their own questions, but it's somehow strange not to find a minute in a week to reply and arrange things. And then we wonder — why did WT die...
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9 years ago
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No, Yegor, this isn't foolishness; it's a sport, and therefore a matter of self-discipline. I assure you, in none of my current games, even if you examine every move under a microscope, will you find anything to criticize. The same goes for Anton and the other players who take the game seriously, not just "playing with horses in the evening with a beer." Bringing real life into this is not correct; we're not dealing with issues of limiting freedom, etc. This, I repeat, is a sport. We watch the slow-motion replay: a goal was scored with a violation, it's disallowed, let's go to overtime (like in hockey, for example).
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9 years ago
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Just imagined a scenario: two people are playing Heroes, one is an athlete, and the other is a gifted alcoholic.
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9 years ago
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Maybe in such situations, playing a best-of-three series would have been better, giving Tosfly a one-game advantage. The game was played, and the victory was achieved, but there's no maphack proof. The claim about the rank-up is just a joke that people will be laughing about for a long time. But with a best-of-three, the accusing side would have the opportunity to prove they are stronger, and if they can't, then they can't.
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9 years ago
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in general, the organizers can already take a small percentage from Tofsle's prize money. I don't think anyone would object.
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9 years ago
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=Lizard=
No, Yegor, this isn't foolishness, but a sport, and therefore a matter of self-discipline. I assure you, in none of my current games, even if you examine every move under a microscope, you won't find anything to criticize. The same goes for Anton and the other players who take the game seriously, and not just "spend the evening riding horses with a beer." Bringing real life into this is not correct; we are not dealing with issues of restricting freedom, etc. This, I repeat, is a sport. They looked at the slow-motion replay: a goal was scored with a violation, it was disallowed, let's go to overtime (like in hockey, for example).
Well, if you're going to bring sports into this, then in soccer, slow-motion replays are used, even if a goal was clearly scored, but the referee didn't count it – that's the reality. In real sports, as in real life, the same thing happens. The formalism of the law should never negate common sense – laws are created not to trample on common sense but to support it. But here, it's the opposite.

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