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Posts from Mafia 106. Plague. Dragon UtopiaAuto-translated
It's not an inferior unit, but rather one that fulfills a support function. Shabnak has unique abilities; the voice-stealing ability can be used every turn, as long as Clara is still alive.
And what will he do if he's the only one left on the team and the maniac somehow disappears?:confused:
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Ult. DD Accuser - executes a player, ends the day.
Does it bypass protection against execution?
Added after 2 minutes Evil Lizard
And what will he do if he's the only one left on the team and the maniac somehow disappears?:confused:
And what will he do against the maniac himself if he's the only one left on the team?
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
What will he do if he's the only one left on the team and the killer somehow disappears?
If only Shabnak survives from the negative side, the town wins. Unless, of course, he's only left in the form of the Impostor.
Does it protect against execution?
No.
And what will he do against the killer himself if he's the only one left on the team?
He'll try to execute him during the day and infect the town at night. Although this situation is very bad for the Mafia, if they allowed the loss of the Prophet and the Albino, they deserve it.
They should try to execute him during the day and infect the town at night.
If the Plague is executed during the day, the Mafia won't be able to infect anyone anymore. So, I would try not to execute the Mafia member during the day and instead save him. And considering that it's quite easy to get into a situation in the game with a Gunslinger (or rather, with two Gunslingers, one of whom only kills Mafia members, which means he doesn't have to worry about making a mistake) and a Doctor, where only Shabnak is left of the Mafia, I would advise the Mafia to save the Doctor even if the Prophet and Albino are still alive. This leads to the question: isn't it too much to give the Doctor such forced support from the Mafia, in addition to all his other advantages?
Added 17 minutes later
Also, the Mafia should think before stealing the ultimate ability, as the Imposter's hypnosis is displayed in the newspaper along with the target's nickname.
So what? There are two redirection abilities in the game besides Take Control. Well, it will show that hypnosis was used on player X, so what?
The effectiveness of the Plague's actions is somewhat overestimated - until the third night, there are 5 roles for whom infection doesn't matter, then 4, but Clara will be able to heal and cure the Commander, as she will be with him.
This is all you need to know about Shabnak's effectiveness. Also, the fact that you can't eliminate the second Gunslinger (!!) (who is also Clara) if the Mafia wants to get at least some benefit from Shabnak's night kill.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
Due to the time zone difference, I will be available in the game between 2-5 AM Moscow time (my morning) and 14-16 Moscow time (my evening). I kindly ask those who want to chat with me about life in the city during the game to keep this schedule in mind.
If the Scourge is executed during the day, the Mafia will no longer be able to infect anyone. So, if I were in their place, I would try not to execute the Mafia during the day, but rather save them. And considering that it's quite easy to allow such a situation to occur in the game (where only Shabnak remains of the Mafia), especially with a Gunslinger (or rather, with two Gunslingers, one of whom only kills Mafia, meaning they don't have to worry about making a mistake) and a Mage, I would advise the Mafia to protect the Mage even if the Prophet and Albino are still alive. Therefore, the question is: isn't it too much to give the Mage this additional, forced support, on top of all his other advantages?
The Mafia doesn't want to get rid of the Mage because it's not in their best interest. The town doesn't want to eliminate the Mage at all (according to the "rules of HvV"). Who will win this game? :smile04::smile04::smile04:
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- Laying on of hands. Heals or prevents action depending on the second status. If it prevents action twice on one player, the target dies. Cannot be used twice in a row on the same player.
This Night Doctor seems a bit weak in the list. Only 3 roles fall under its block...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
If Yazu is executed during the day, the mafia can no longer infect anyone. So I, in their place, would try not to execute the maniac during the day, but rather save them. And considering that allowing such a situation (when Shabnak is the only mafia member left) in a game with a sniper (more precisely, with two snipers, one of whom kills only mafia members, and therefore doesn't have to worry about making a mistake) and a maniac is very much possible, I, in the mafia's place, would protect the maniac even with the Prophet and Albino still alive. Hence the question — isn't it too much for the maniac, on top of all their technical advantages, to also have forced mafia support?
Well firstly, I wouldn't equate Clara to a second sniper. There are 3 negative roles she can kill, and there are 3 townspeople with an aggressive status, plus the mafia can change the second status to non-aggressive townie. Not to mention that she has to spend three nights to kill someone, and that she generally needs to make sure the Warlord doesn't die. The Inquisitor, on the other hand, easily gets taken out by anything. So losing both the Prophet and Albino is actually not that simple. And forced mafia support for a maniac can only happen in this specific case; in any other, the mafia is a threat to the maniac, they need to eliminate him to win and will strive to do so. To avoid exposing themselves in the process, they need to choose the right moment to eliminate the maniac. Yes, it's difficult, but playing as the mafia shouldn't be easy.
and so what? There are two redirections besides Take Control. So it'll show that hypnosis was used on player X, and then what?
What do redirections have to do with it? I'm talking about how this affects the daytime game. Well, imagine you enter the thread, read the newspaper, and see that a player was hypnotized. Your thoughts: that means someone (the mafia or the Impostor) most likely knows approximately what this player's role is. Based on the reactions of other players at that moment, you can make brilliant analytical deductions and draw conclusions about who did it, and whether that player should be executed/killed or, on the contrary, healed/protected. In short, such a move gives information to the town that might otherwise not be available, but it all depends on who gets checked this way and how to handle it during the day; the value of this action varies. With particular cunning, a lot of benefit can be derived from this, but that's for the mafia themselves to assess based on their strength.
this is all you need to know about Shabnak's effectiveness. Well, also that the second sniper (!!) (also known as Clara) cannot be eliminated if the mafia wants to get any profit at all from Shabnak's night action.
But the mafia doesn't need Shabnak as a killer, I'm saying it's a support role. If the mafia is forced to use her to kill, that means they're already in a bad spot, and considering that the Prophet and Albino can only be executed/killed, it means they brought that situation upon themselves through their own play, so they have only themselves to blame. And they also need to choose targets carefully, so as not to be left alone with a fattened-up maniac at the end of the game.
The mafia doesn't want to get rid of the maniac because it's not beneficial for them. The town doesn't want to hang the maniac in principle (according to "HeroesWorld laws"). So who will win this game?..
The mafia must get rid of the maniac if they want to win. They just need to do it neither too early nor too late, but at the right moment. That is the path to victory for the mafia. As for the townies... Those who say that, given the setup's specifics, can be hanged immediately.
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Somehow this night action looks rather low on the list. Only 3 roles fall under the block...
Hmm, I thought I put it higher... We'll fix it now.
1. By the way, what happens if Clara uses her hypnotic ability on a player who is immune to negative effects? As I understand it, it won't be possible to find out their status. Does that mean the ultimate ability will be wasted, or can it be used later on another player?
2. Does the Mafia change their status for the rest of the game or just for one night?
3. What status do the Investigators and Journalist receive? Their initial status or their changed status? As I understand it, "Laying on of Hands" reacts to the changed status?
4. What happens if Clara uses her hypnotic ability on Olshinsky, who sends all visitors to Clara? Will we find out that Clara visited the player who is playing as Clara, or will the ultimate ability not work but remain, or will the ultimate ability not work and be wasted?
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
1. By the way, what happens if Clara uses her hypnotic ability on a player who is immune to negative effects? As I understand it, it won't be possible to learn their status. Does this mean the ultimate ability will be wasted, or can it be used later on another player?
The ultimate ability is considered used from the moment it is applied. If it is used on a player immune to hypnosis, the result will be a failure.
2. Does the Mafia change the player's status for the rest of the game or just for one night?
For the rest of the game.
3. What status do the Investigators and the Journalist receive? The initial status or the changed status? As I understand it, "Laying on of Hands" reacts to the changed status?
The answers given during interrogation are based on the initial status. The Investigators receive the changed status. "Laying on of Hands" reacts to the changed status.
4. What will happen if Clara uses her hypnotic ability on Olshansky, who sends all visitors to Clara? Will we learn that Clara visited the player who is playing as Clara, or will the ultimate ability not work, but remain available, or will the ultimate ability not work and be wasted?
Explanations regarding special abilities and rules
13. An ability cannot be used on oneself unless otherwise specified.
The ultimate ability will not be applied, and therefore it will remain available. Clara will receive a message about this.
11. The Haruspex does not spend a potion or panacea if he visits a negative or immunity-to-infection character. They, respectively, do not receive anything from him. The same applies to the Bachelor's antibiotics.
Total number of checkers:
journalist, Clara (checks the second status and uses the ultimate ability to check both), Aglaia (checks the 2nd status), Bachelor (checks whether the character is negative or not), Haruspex (checks whether the character is negative or not).
Seriously? 5 checkers for 8 citizens? And two of them check not the status, but the player's side.
Another question, I'm writing a priority table for myself. Fragment, please help me arrange these two non-damaging abilities in the correct positions.
- Use a potion. One item is spent. Initially: 0. Can be applied to oneself or given to a target. Can be used with other non-damaging abilities.
- Panacea. Heals the player. Initially: 0. The conditions of use are the same as for potions.
Suitable positions:
12. The Haruspex or the one to whom he gave it gives or receives a twirino extract (not displayed).
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21. The Haruspex or the one to whom he gave it gives or receives dead porridge/panacea (not displayed).
Added 27 minutes ago
The ultimate ability is considered used from the moment it is applied. If it hits an immunity-to-hypnosis character, it will result in a failure.
And in case of failure, will the player's nickname still be displayed in the newspaper, to whom the ultimate ability was applied?
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
With such a slow typing speed, the game might not even start, so maybe you're doing the right thing.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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