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Not long ago, I conducted a survey among regular HotA tournament participants regarding the strength of castles, and Necropolis showed a very high variance in ratings - some placed it in the top three, others in the bottom three.

Perhaps for this same reason, Necropolis is a rare guest on streams - one is reluctant to play it themselves, and afraid to give it to an opponent.

I think it's time to correct this situation and properly test Necropolis under tournament conditions.

Rules:

1) Game version - HotA+HDmod+HWrulez (latest versions for all)

2) All games are played as Necropolis

3) Tournament format - Olympic bo3.

4) Templates:
- Jebus Cross
- Mini-Nostalgia
- Diamond
- 8xm12a
- [HotA]Nostalgia
- h3dm1
- mt-Diamond

In the first game, the player who is higher in rating chooses the color and template; the player who is lower in rating chooses the hero.

In the second game, it's the opposite. The template must be different.

In the third game (if required), the template is chosen by the black player from the 5 remaining templates. The player who is lower in rating starts as the black player. There is a negotiation for color/hero; the winner of the negotiation chooses either the color or the hero.

5) Games are played with simultaneous turns. By agreement, they can be played without them. Simultaneous turn deadlines:
- 7 days on Jebus Cross, h3dm1
- 5 days on Diamond, mt-Diamond, 8xm12a
- 12 days on Mini-Nostalgia and [HotA]Nostalgia

6) Restarts. For mirrored templates - 1 day, for others - 3 days.

7) Timer = 16+8+1 on all templates.

8) Red-rush is allowed.

Other rules are standard.

Players have the right, by mutual agreement, to make any changes to the rules except for the choice of starting castles.

Miscellaneous:
- This is a fan tournament
- Tournament games go into the rating by default, but at the request of either player they may not; this must be reported before the start of the match.
- The winner will be awarded something for their avatar (suggestions are welcome).

Registration lasts 2 weeks, tournament start - 13.03.2017

Tournament has started :smile24:

Round of 16 Draw:

Izgoy (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Ca5peR (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Jebus Cross 112
Izgoy (Blue, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) def Ca5peR (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) h3dm1 113

Diabler (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def o1dboy79 (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Jebus Cross 125
Diabler (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def o1dboy79 (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) 8xm12a 135

sonic111 (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def BISHOP (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Grindan) Jebus Cross 145
BISHOP (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def sonic111 (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) mt_diamond 133
BISHOP (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def sonic111 (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Dessa) h3dm1 136

battanas (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra ) def Javdet (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant ) h3dm1 113
battanas (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant ) def Javdet(Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) 6lm10a 221

Dawidu91 (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Sevan_80 (Blue, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) Mini-Nostalgia 115
Dawidu91 (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Sevan_80 (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) Jebus 141

DreadKn1ght (Blue, Necropolis, Septienna, Septienna) def avellimachi (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) 8xm12a 134
avellimachi (Blue, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) def DreadKn1ght (Red, Necropolis, Septienna, Septienna) Diamond 131
DreadKn1ght (Blue, Necropolis, Septienna, Septienna) def avellimachi (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Jebus Cross 141

Loinz (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Mini-Nostalgia 211
Loinz (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def tun7gus7 (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Jebus Cross 133

flate (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Churik (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Diamond 126
flate (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Churik (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Jebus Cross 132

wowa (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def Hi-tech (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Jebus Cross
wowa (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def Hi-tech (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Diamond

Surreal (Blue, Necropolis, Charna, Charna) def Montt (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Vidomina) 8xm12a 245
Surreal (Red, Necropolis, Charna, Clavius) def Montt (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) h3dm1 215

=Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) def Xocenk (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) h3dm1 131
=Lizard= (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Xocenk (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Clavius) Jebus Cross 127

De_Luxe (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) def HappyOrange(Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) diamond 131

socola (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def PaTRioT (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Dessa) Diamond 135
PaTRioT (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def socola (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Jebus Cross 133
socola (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def PaTRioT (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) 8xm12a 144

Tofsla def PutinKing (technical result)

Be3y4uu - Toganash (annulled)
HellLight - Derbent (annulled)

Round of 16 deadline - until 10.04.2017

Substitutions:
Derbent => 9li9ht
Be3y4uu => Bahan
Toganash => KobRa_RR

Bahan(red,Necro,Tamika,Таmika) def KobRa_RR(blue,Necro,Tant,Clavius)141, JC
KobRa_RR(red,Necro,Isra,Clavius,) def Bahan(blue,Necro,Tant,Tant) 135, h3dm1
Bahan(blue,Necro,Tant,Tant) def KobRa_RR (red, Necro,Isra, Vidomina) 142, 8xm12a

HellLighT (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def 9li9ht (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Jebus Cross 115
HellLighT (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def 9li9ht (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Jebus Cross 127

Round of 8 Draw:

dawidu91 red nekro(vidomina) def battanas blue nekro (isra/tamika) h3dm1 135
Dawidu91(red Nekro Isra) def Battanas (blue nekro thant/aslin)mini-nostalgia 131

Loinz (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def Izgoy (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Mini-Nostalgia 214
Loinz (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Izgoy (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) Jebus Cross 133

De_Luxe (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Tofsla (Blue, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) Jebus Cross 142
Tofsla (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def De_Luxe (Blue, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) h3dm1 131
De_Luxe (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) def Tofsla (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Diamond 143

Surreal (Red, Necropolis, Charna, Clavius) def DreadKn1ght (Blue, Necropolis, Septienna, Gurnisson) h3dm1 135
1:0

=Lizard= (blue, Necro, Isra, Isra) def socola (red, Necro, Tant, Tant) 126, 8xm12a
=Lizard= (red, Necro, Isra, Isra) def socola (blue,
Necro, Tant, Tant) 126, h3dm1

Bahan (blue, Necro, Tant, Tant) def Diabler (blue,Necro, Isra, Isra) 122, Diamond
2-1

Substitution:
wowa=>Dawidu91

Dawidu91 (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Vidomina) def HellLighT (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Aslinn) Jebus Cross 126
Dawidu91 (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def HellLighT (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Diamond 126

Substitution:
BISHOP => battanas
flate => Izgoy

battanas (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Izgoy(red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) Jebus Cross 131
battanas (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def Izgoy (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Diamond 121

Round of 8 deadline - until 29.05.2017

Quarter-finals Draw:

Dawidu91 (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) def De_Luxe (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Mini-Nostalgia 143
De_Luxe (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Charna) def Dawidu91 (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Diamond 136
De_Luxe (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Dawidu91 (Red, Necropolis, Vidomina, Vidomina) 8xm12a 123

Bahan (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Gunnar) def Dawidu91 (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) h3dm1 131
Bahan (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def Dawidu91 (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Jebus Cross 127

battanas (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Loinz (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) 6lm10a 135
battanas (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Loinz (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Jebus Cross 124

Lizard (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Surreal (Blue, Necropolis, Charna, Charna) Jebus Cross 126
Surreal (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def Lizard (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Diamond 145
=Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Surreal (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Clavius) h3dm1 212

Quarter-finals deadline - until 26.06.2017

Semi-finals Draw:

De Luxe (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def battanas (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) h3dm1 132
De Luxe (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def battanas (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) 6lm10a 222

Bahan (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def =Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Jebus Cross 132
=Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Bahan (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) h3dm1 124
=Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def Bahan (Blue, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Diamond 124

Semi-finals deadline - until 23.07.2017

Final:

=Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Corbakk) def De_Luxe (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) h3dm1 126
De_Luxe (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) def =Lizard= (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) Mini-Nostalgia 133
De_Luxe (Blue, Necropolis, Isra, Isra) def =Lizard= (Red, Necropolis, Thant, Thant) Diamond 126
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I really liked Al-Fein's idea with the Necropolis vs. non-Necropolis games. It's really interesting to see if there will be many 2-1 results (with the final game being Necropolis vs. Necropolis) or if the Necropolis will be able to win against the Fortress and other factions.

p.s. I would remove Jebus (he is quite non-trivial and interesting in Haven, by the way), but not Mini-Nostu, which definitely needs some improvements for Haven.
You're right, if the idea of the tournament is to understand the strength of the Necropolis, it would be more accurate to make it a best-of-3, with the first games being Necropolis vs. any other faction, and the final game being Necropolis vs. Necropolis.
As for the templates, it's not as critical as the simultaneous turn, maybe I'm just too old, and I don't understand how you can think and click non-stop for 2 hours...:smile33:
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I agree that the games should pit Necropolis against another faction... and if it has to be different, at least have two matches to a 1-1 result :smile14:
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Five tournaments have already been held in the "only X" format, and more will be held in the future, so there is no need to change it without a good reason.

You will be able to play as Necropolis against other factions in other tournaments.
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Five tournaments have already been held in the "only X" format, and more will be held in the future, so there is no need to change it without a good reason.

You will be able to play Necropolis against other factions in other tournaments.

There is a good reason. Necropolis is the only faction in HotA where there are no clearly defined strong starting heroes (due to Galtran leaving). In games where Necropolis plays against Necropolis, the red player will always have a significant advantage. Perhaps it would be necessary to introduce the possibility of banning one hero, as is done when playing a mirror match.
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We've already had 5 tournaments in the "only X" format, and more will be held in the future, so there's no need to change it without a good reason.
Wicc, what "good reasons" do we even have to play Heroes? Is there even one, the most compelling one? Could it be applied to this situation?
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There's a good reason for that. Necropolis is the only Castle in Heroes where there aren't any clearly defined strong starting heroes (due to Galtran's departure). In games, playing Necropolis as the red player will almost always give you a significant advantage. Unless we introduce the option to ban one hero, as is done when playing mirror matches.
But the series' format is specifically designed to overcome imbalances in heroes and colors – switching heroes/colors in the first two games and trading in the third. And the fact that there isn't a clearly stronger starting hero is actually a good thing; all Castles would benefit from that.

One of the goals of professional Tournaments is to determine the relative strength of starting heroes. And for many templates (for all non-mirror matches), this is almost the only opportunity to play with identical Castles, because in other Tournaments, such pairs are usually re-randomized.
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Vik, what "good reasons" do we even have to play Heroes? Is there even one, the most important one? Maybe it could apply to this situation?
Smells like Zen... :)
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Necropolis is the only Castle in HotA where there aren't any clearly defined starting units (due to Galtran leaving).
What difference does it make who you start with if you always end up with Jeremy? :smile08:
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What difference does it make which faction you start with if you always end up playing as Jeremy? :smile08:

He's not allowed to play Necromancer, so he's kind of a noob.
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