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Posts from Final vote for the location of the CIS-2017 tournament.
Congratulations to VLG on their victory! They skillfully managed resources during the discussions.
As with everything else, if you don't try to build a system of cooperation, it will lead to an increase in so-called transitional management costs – voting systems, legitimacy calculations, regulations, etc., which is what we are seeing in our economy, and now on the forum. If before you could get by with 1 "piece of paper," now you need 5-10 regulations and more. At the micro level, this usually means an increase in bureaucracy, aging, and stagnation of the organization.
In my opinion, the interests of a specific, narrow group of interested parties influenced the development of our situation; they pursued their agenda too zealously, without providing opportunities for agreement or alternatives.
Personally, it will be difficult for me to justify the budget for a trip to VLG to my family; it's easier to go on vacation. But I will try – it's been a while since I attended a CIS Heroes 3 event.
I hope the CIS 2018 elections will be more... legitimate.
I can’t see them, by the way. Please re-upload them somewhere.
They should be visible if you are logged in. Okay. This is what we call a “blind commentary.” Screenshots from Moza’s stream. Conversation in ICQ. Frame 1. February 13, 2017, 10:14:46 Vigo: Lyosha, hey! Are you not planning to go to the CIS tournament? Moza: Hey, Vitia I’ve had plans for a long time.
Frame 2. February 13, 2017, 10:16:09 Vigo: This doesn’t obligate you to anything! Then, a link to the voting. Thank you!
End of blind commentary.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)
"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
wowa
9 years ago
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MerlinTheMagician
Can't see the images?
The first one is clearly a promotion, not some kind of manipulation. And, by the way, it's unclear what the plans are – whether it's for a trip or as a countermeasure, but even that justifies the second image, which clearly answers the question "what will happen if I don't come?". With these fragmented screenshots, there's some uncertainty, but as they are, they rather support the seriousness of Vigo's intentions.
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"
Let's skip the part about fake votes. There are plenty of them everywhere. I would be very surprised if there weren't any. And Merlin definitely shouldn't be blaming others for it.
Hey, Stinger, are they not letting you go to Volgograd?
Your logic is strange. The point is that you need to know how to not only lose, but also how to win. In my opinion, after the voting ended, only Albert from the "headquarters" of Korolev unsubscribed, stating that he did not recognize the voting. After that, you started accusing everyone else who participated in the organizing committee, in addition to Vigo. That's unpleasant.
After that, you started blaming everyone else who participated in the organization, besides Vigo. That's unpleasant.
Yes, those who participated initially. The "organizers" were unable to gather and present information for the application within a week. And they should have understood with whom they were going to work as a team, or rather, under whose leadership. Why even apply? To cause a commotion on the forum? Congratulations, you accomplished the task. In general, it was a very interesting couple of weeks for the forum. So many interesting things happened...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)
"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
and what's the point? the one the activists proclaimed as the winner won
how can you rig the votes? newly registered users don't count, not only in the "Merlin system," but also in a simple count the rest, those who voted, are real people who did so in a sound mind and with clear memory and are 5-year-olds no longer people? are they a lower caste, so we'll reduce the weight of their votes! but the viewers are people, yes! they are a higher caste, so we'll increase the weight of their votes!
and where is the official (apart from assumptions) information that those who voted wouldn't have come? maybe Korolev is just convenient for them, and they wouldn't have gone anywhere else? and those who go to Volgograd would go anywhere, because geography isn't that important to them, unlike those who voted not even for Vigo's bid, but for geography
and why deceive the people then? and also the fellow organizers? or are Stinger and Bishop only good at playing Heroes, but in real life they are complete losers? and the better you play Heroes, the easier it is to fool you?
Wowa, you won't be able to explain anything here, I've already tried. Why Korolev? Because it's Moscow, where everyone can easily get to. It's still the largest and strongest Moscow and St. Petersburg community. Look who voted for him - Stinger, AlexTheGreat, Armagedda, Bayazet, MatrosOFF, Mee, Vigo, vitalic, you. Maybe I missed someone, but the ones I mentioned have been through dozens of Chaos League tournaments, old St. Petersburg championships, Krasnodar, and Yekaterinburg tournaments. A core group of players could have formed, remembering the judging of Chaos and Alan, knowing how championships with a real competitive element should be held. The problem before was the limited time of the championships, but if there's a week, that's enough for a full-fledged championship.
Who voted for Volgograd from the old players? Besides Kirill, I know Napalm and Mizrael, both of whom have been to my tournaments in Michurinsk many times. The rest, excuse me, are those for whom offline tournaments started with the CIS championship, with all the downsides in the form of poker and booze, and they think that's what a normal Heroes tournament is. Therefore, Kirill's arguments that there are only true Heroes players in Volgograd, and only losers are willing to go to Korolev, are at least strange. This, of course, doesn't apply to my probably best friends in the Heroes world, Horn and Dust, who voted for both cities.
Here, two groups of people simply clashed: those who believe that Heroes is just an addition to poker, and the new CIS champion was the final result of this attitude. And those who would like a normal tournament component. I know what will be in Volgograd: a good table, drinks, a buffet with songs, and great poker, it's all great, that's why I won't go there, I can't watch another pseudo-championship. In Korolev, considering that Tema Stinger, Bishop, and old St. Petersburg and Moscow players will be the organizers, I could hope for a change in the perception of the Heroes CIS, a full-fledged tournament. In Volgograd, who should I talk about this to - the dendroid club?
Fas1kTV
9 years ago
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Congratulations to VLG on the victory, unfortunately, I won't be able to attend. The argument was quite something, I had a good laugh. I came to one conclusion for myself (I think I'm not the only one who thinks so) Merlin is such an unpleasant person. If you stand in his way, he'll dump a ton of compromising information on you, even though his application has already won. It's not enough for him; he needs to make himself look good compared to the others. It's just ridiculous. An adult acting like... Never mind, or he'll start attacking me too =)
Wishing everyone a great CIS 2017, see you in 2018 in Korolev (hopefully)!
I know what will be in Volgograd: a good table, drinks, a buffet with songs, and great poker – everything will be great, which is exactly why I won’t go there. I won’t be able to watch another pseudo-championship. In Korolev, considering that Tema Stinger, Bishop, and old players from St. Petersburg and Moscow would be the organizers, I could have hoped for a change in the perception of the Heroes of Might and Magic scene in the CIS, and for a full-fledged tournament. But in Volgograd, who am I going to talk to about this – the club of dendroids?
Let me tell you myself what the club of dendroids thinks, because it seems like you’ve forgotten what happened in Krasnodar-2004. Alan had a welcome banquet, poker, and excursions. So, is Andre also a pseudo-champion?
And the fact that you won’t go is something everyone already understands.
