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CIS 2017
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Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2017-02-15
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Yekaterinburg
22% 24 votes
Volgograd
30.3% 33 votes
Korolev
36.7% 40 votes
I’m not going to CIS
22.9% 25 votes
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Al Feyn
can you tally the votes in a way that shows who won against the King? and post it here?

I can – I can just count the number of people :)
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I can simply count the number of people :)

But it's impossible to take this seriously by definition. Because, if you think about it, no one is really interested in the opinion of those who are unlikely to come (or will come with a low probability), and the idea was to protect against these unreliable votes.
Not to mention that there are clearly fake accounts in the voting. Should they be excluded in any case? Or are you suggesting that we simply ignore these nuances? And are you saying that Merlin's Wife's vote should be considered equal to Lizard, ATG, Stinger, Bayazet, and DD, etc.? And would such a voting system be better than what has been done?

I mean, before complaining, formulate how it should be done correctly, write it down "correctly," and post it here so we can see the result.
So that we can at least see concretely what you're talking about. "Just count the number of people." Well, at least count the number of "people" and see what you get.
If it turns out to be what you thought it should be, post it – here, look, I think this is better than what Merlin did.
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Al Feyn
can you manage to count the votes in such a way that it would be possible to see who won, King or another candidate, and post the results here?
and are these manipulations by Merlin a reflection of the general opinion of the Heroes community? and are official decisions made based on them?

according to the majority of votes, Yekaterinburg and King consistently win
according to "Merlin's points," Volgograd always wins; this is obvious even to a hedgehog in a condom
and if the silence of the community gives some legitimacy to "Merlin's points," I hope this is not the entire community... but in any case, a schism is coming if no one comes up with a unifying idea that is clearly an alternative to Merlin's self-proclaimed VLG.
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

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Al Feyn
But by definition, it's impossible to take that seriously. Because, if you think about it, no one is really interested in the opinions of those who are unlikely to come (or will come with a low probability), and the idea was to protect against these unreliable votes.
Not to mention that there are clearly fake accounts participating in the voting. Should they be excluded in any case? Or are you suggesting that we simply ignore these nuances? And are you saying that Merlin's Wife's vote should be considered equal to Lizard, Bayazet, and DD, etc.? And would such a voting system be better than what we have now?

The only thing I suggested in this thread is a second round of voting, which would be fairer. And the algorithm for counting votes was just a joke. I agree with the chosen system.
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A rebellious thought. If "Lizard with his wife" had voted for Korolev, Korolev would have won. :rolleyes: The difference is really tiny. That's the "objective reality."
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So, are these manipulations by Merlin a reflection of the general opinion of the Heroes community? And are official decisions being made based on them? And by the way, by whom? Alex, who keeps Merlin on a retainer?

Yekaterinburg and Korolev consistently won based on the majority of votes.
Volgograd always wins based on the "Merlin points," which is obvious even to a hedgehog in a condom.
And if the community's silence gives some legitimacy to the "Merlin points," I hope it's not the entire community... But in any case, a schism is coming if no one comes up with a unifying idea that is clearly an alternative to the self-proclaimed Merlin's WLG.

Dear sir, where did you get this information: "official decisions? And by the way, by whom? Alex, who keeps Merlin on a retainer?"
I can only support women, and only those I like; I can support a company, my children, etc.
That I have a friendly relationship with him, that's true.
Therefore, I suggest changing your tone, apologizing, and then having a normal discussion. Because right now, it's more like some Zombie_King woke up and started telling everyone how the grass was green three hundred years ago, and the girls were beautiful, and the heroes are all wrong...
No arguments, no figures, nothing... and yet, he seems like a grown-up and reasonable man.
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Al Feyn
A rebellious thought. If the Lizardman and his wife change their minds about supporting the King, the King will win. :rolleyes:
Yes, in a normal reality, he has already won, even if we exclude the mages' wives from the calculation.
But in a magical reality, this is impossible for Merlin, because the mage creates his own reality as he pleases.

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Dear sir, where did you get this information "official decisions? and, by the way, by whom? Alex, who keeps Merlin on a retainer?"
I can only support women, and only those I like; I can support a company, my children, etc.
The fact that I have a friendly relationship with him is true.
Therefore, I suggest changing your tone, apologizing, and then having a normal discussion.
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No arguments, no figures, nothing....and yet you're a grown man.
I apologize, sorry – he's on a retainer during the supposed event.
Or is this information a great secret?
So, how much will Merlin contribute for attending the potential event?
King_ZOMBIE woke up and started telling everyone how green the grass was three hundred years ago, and how beautiful the girls were, and how the heroes are all wrong...
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I would like to personally thank the entire team that prepared the application for Korolev. Thank you very much, guys, it was a pleasure working with you.

Congratulations to VLG on their victory.
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wowa
but in any case, its split is inevitable if no one comes up with a unifying idea that is clearly an alternative to the self-proclaimed Merlin's CIS League.
Did Bert bite you too?
The split is caused by people like you, who oppose their opinion to the opinion of the active part of the CIS participants. There was a vote. There were even two votes. Volgograd didn't artificially inflate its votes, nor did it dig up dead accounts. Ekb, for the most part, didn't either: it's just that Ekb appealed more to the "top five" players.
Half of those who voted for Korolev had never participated in the 7 years of the event (and with a high probability, will not participate in the next seven times seven years).

Korolev is not suitable for organizing the CIS event - neither at the level of the initial organizing team (at least because they traveled to the base for a week, lol), nor at the level of the base itself: this "hotel" is known throughout the area as a "brothel on wheels".
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I repeat, regardless of the outcome of the vote, there would be controversy (unless it's 80%+). Any selection system can lead to controversy. On one hand, people can complain that the viewers are deciding, and on the other hand, unknown players, etc.

In reality, the vote itself has long turned into a farce. Just think, over 80 people voted for different factions, and about 40 of them will NOT participate, some of them stated this directly. How can we talk about objectivity? No vote will reflect the real picture.

The only requirement for this topic was to determine the winner according to the given conditions in one round. The vote has been held, and this topic is now closed. Clarifications regarding the number of CIS tournaments will be accepted until tomorrow, after which the results will be considered final, and this topic will be closed.

For the future, PREPARE IN ADVANCE, i.e., if there is a desire to organize something, then it must be DONE AHEAD OF TIME, and not appear in February with wide eyes and a cry of "EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE!!!". Ideally, announce your intentions for the next year for the CIS tournaments, as Ivan FTS did regarding the Championship of Siberia. What is so special about the Championship of Siberia? We work as a team towards one common goal, and not each pulling the blanket in their own direction. Think about it!
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You are absolutely right about it being a "brothel on wheels."
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MerlinTheMagician
this "hotel" is known throughout the area as a "brothel on wheels."
You should have said that beforehand! It changes everything! Then the competitors wouldn't have had a chance :D
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Hiwanna
I would like to personally thank the entire team preparing the application for Королёв. Thank you very much, guys, it was a pleasure working with you.
Congratulations to ВЛГ on their victory.
Thank you, it was interesting.
I will gladly support the application of Королёв/Podmoskovye for the CIS-2018.
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Thank you, it was interesting.
I will gladly support Korolev/Moscow Oblast's application for the CIS-2018.

And please apologize to your phone on my behalf for accidentally breaking its screen with my photos :D
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MerlinTheMagician
Did Bert bite you too?
Schism is caused by people like you, who oppose the opinion of the active part of the CIS community. There was a vote. There were even two votes.
and what's the point?
the one who was proclaimed by the activists won.
Volgograd didn't inflate the number of votes, didn't dig up dead people. Yekaterinburg, for the most part, didn't either: it's just that Yekaterinburg appealed more to the "fives" group.
how can you inflate the number of votes? newly registered users don't count, not only according to the "Merlin's system," but also with a simple count.
the rest of those who voted are real people who did so in a sound mind and with clear memory.
and are the "fives" no longer people? are they a lower caste, so we'll reduce the weight of their votes! but the viewers are people, yes! they are a higher caste, so we'll increase the weight of their votes!
Half of those who voted for Korolev hadn't participated in the past 7 years (and with a high probability, won't participate in the next 7 times 7 years).
and where is the official (apart from assumptions) information that those who voted wouldn't have come? maybe Korolev is just more convenient for them, and they wouldn't have gone anywhere else?
but those who go to Volgograd would go anywhere, because geography isn't that important to them, unlike those who didn't vote for the Vigo bid, and specifically voted against it because of geography.

Korolev is not suitable for organizing the CIS event - neither at the level of the initial organizing team (at least because it took a week to get to the base, lol), nor at the level of the base itself: this "hotel" is known throughout the area as a "brothel on wheels."
and why did they deceive the people then? and also their fellow organizers? or are Stinger and Bishop only good at playing Heroes, and in real life, they are complete losers? and does the better you play Heroes, the easier it is to deceive you?
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny

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