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CIS 2017
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Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2017-02-15
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Yekaterinburg
22% 24 votes
Volgograd
30.3% 33 votes
Korolev
36.7% 40 votes
I’m not going to CIS
22.9% 25 votes
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MerlinTheMagician
But what will change because of this?

If we are talking specifically about the CIS Championships (the history of which, by the way, is presented in a separate section on HW), then they started in 2010.
Well, nothing!
Bishop has at least 2 (or even 3 – I don’t remember, he was in Krasnodar twice, or maybe once).
Nagana – 4, of course!
Vitalik – 4 (I played with him in Krasnodar).
And that’s just off the top of my head!
So, what will change because of this?

If we are talking specifically about the CIS Championships (the history of which, by the way, is presented in a separate section on HW), then they started in 2010.
That is, the key word here is CIS.
It’s clear that there is a distinction between the Krasnodar events, which started all the Heroes championships, and their successors.

And the goal of the championship has always been to unite the Heroes community with the maximum possible participation of players!
And it’s not hard to understand that Korolev will attract the maximum number of players, not just the annual non-playing regulars!
Are you worried about Korolev? Then support him, don’t criticize him!
After all, among the organizers, besides Vigo, who is the main target of criticism, there are also very respected Heroes players, who, by the way, are also true pioneers in many respects. They have also been conveniently forgotten, just like the Krasnodar events?
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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in the end, among the organizers, besides Vigo, who is the main target of criticism, there are also quite respected players, and, by the way, they are also pioneers in many respects))
I repeat once again. As long as a fraudster and swindler is listed as an organizer in the organizing committee, I will do my best to protect the community.
Because it is clear to any sane person that if a fraudster and swindler started the application, nothing good will come of it.
I already wrote to Bishop on the forum. And I will write again.
We, if he doesn't mind, would be happy to organize CIS-2018 in the Moscow region together and do everything properly. But without Vigo's participation as an organizer, and especially without Vigo's participation as the Main organizer.
The target audience has spoken. The guarantors of this "application" - Napalm and Bloodlaiker - have spoken. What more do you want?

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i.e. the key word here is CIS
it's clear! the demarcation of Krasnodar, which gave start to all Heroes championships, with their successors is obvious
In general, offline championships were held in Yekaterinburg even before Krasnodar, if that's important...
Exactly. The key word is CIS. Or should we also give points for online championships? By the way, I'm not against it - I'm all for an objective voting system, where a person votes for one or another application not with an empty vote, but with money, but in practice, voting with money turns into a utopia... And it's not about dragons...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

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The target audience has spoken.

I repeat – the core of the magical target audience consists of hero-poker-playing alcohol tourists.
But it should be players! If you remove the non-playing players from King's Bounty and Might & Magic, the picture will be depressing for the game!
And this is without taking into account the fact that many who didn't make it into Might & Magic will come to King's Bounty, but the opposite is unlikely!
I, by the way, am not against it – and I am all for an objective voting system...
Golden words! This is exactly the kind of system that is currently in effect!
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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I repeat – the core of the magical target audience consists of hero-poker-playing alcohol tourists.
But there should be players! Remove the non-playing players from the King's Bounty and Warlords of the North – the picture will be depressing for the mage!
And this is without taking into account the fact that many who didn't make it to Warlords will come to King's Bounty, but the opposite is unlikely!
Objective voting data says the opposite.
What did you read?
For Warlords of the North.
There were 29 people at the CIS tournament, and 20 of them attended twice or more.
There were 4 people who hadn't been to the CIS tournament.
20 people mainly played in the tournament, and 13 of them attended twice or more.
13 people didn't mainly play in the tournament.

Now look at the rest.
50% of the votes for King's Bounty were from people who hadn't been to the CIS tournament, and among them, out of 39 people and one Vigops, only 12 were players, and 8 of them played 2 times or more.

After all, 7 championships is already a significant amount of statistical data.

Update. Message number 555. HOORAY!
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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The objective voting data suggests otherwise.
What were you reading?
In favor of VLG.
Those who attended SNK – 29, of which 20 attended twice or more.
Those who did not attend SNK – accordingly, four people.
Those who predominantly played in the main tournament – 20, of which 13 people played twice or more.
Those who did not play in the main tournament – accordingly, 13 people.

Now look at the others.
50% of the votes for Korolev never attended SNK at all, and among them, out of 40 people, only 12 were players, of which 8 played 2 times or more.

After all, over 7 championships, that's already a certain statistical sample.

well no, who's arguing?
even a hedgehog can see that Merlin is the most objective of everyone writing on this subject!
and why bother delving into the details by name and generating walls of text? every reader here has their own opinion, but overall we trust Merlin, who is the most objective and, well, yes — unbiased!

and due to that impartiality, Krasnodar doesn't count! it's archival material after all, it won't do at all :) and the opinions of the founding fathers of tournaments — Nagana (the same new SNK) or Armagedda (tournaments on HeroesWorld) carry a total weight of 3 points in Merlin's objective coordinate system!
you should go into politics, Kirill! you'll achieve the greatest success :)
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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Actually, I was thinking of writing a separate, lengthy post summarizing everything – plus, there were some questions directed specifically at me that I didn't have time to answer (because, among other things, yesterday I walked about 30 kilometers as part of the hippotherapy sessions I was conducting)...
But now I'm thinking – why bother? And for what purpose? I could show the answers from the end of the textbook. I could even demonstrate how these answers were obtained (i.e., the solutions to the problems). But what's the point? I've already written everything I wanted to say.

Therefore, in short.
1. I perceive the CIS Championship as a separate project.
I apologize to anyone I may have unintentionally offended by calling them "nobodies." But if a person wasn't present either in real life or on the forum, they are essentially just a technical voter. It's not up to them to decide where and how the CIS Championship should be held.
2. I still feel compelled to make, hopefully, one last jab at Mee. Instead of fighting with Merlin (who is, after all, just a collective image of the CIS, if you will, and identifies the trend, rather than defining it – he simply voices it), instead of looking for a way to throw his 20-30k somewhere else, he should have invested it in his "brother," helping him cover the cost of a ticket to Volgograd. You are not my enemy. And Asma, whom I helped with repairs and, when needed, with his children, and whose entire family I love (including his youngest brother) – I will still consider him a friend, even though he betrayed me a little and started engaging in "circus-like" behavior himself.
3. Regarding the results of the vote. I repeat. I took a firm and unambiguous position. The vote was held. It was open for a week. There were two bids: Volgograd and Yekaterinburg. Volgograd won. What followed was already some kind of "strange game" (as they say).

We can talk and analyze the mass "dump" of votes for Korolev (among whom was a judge, whom many considered and still consider to be an authority) for a long time... But, again, why and to what end?
Everyone draws their own conclusions.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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Once again, I would like to express my gratitude to everyone who was part of the Yekaterinburg bid's organizing committee, personally thanking you for the time and effort you invested. Please contact me personally (phone, Skype, etc.).
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Another positive aspect of this discussion is that the Heroes community has grown large enough to have differing opinions about organizing the main event of the year. And the event itself has become popular enough for this to happen. Therefore, it seems that to avoid future arguments, the most skilled knights of our time should unite as soon as possible around a Round Table. But at the head of it (just in case) should be King Arthur, not Merlin. :D (Nothing personal, just historical experience).
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Actually, I was thinking of writing a separate, lengthy post summarizing everything – plus, there were some questions directed specifically at me that I didn't have time to answer (because, among other things, yesterday I walked about 30 kilometers as part of the hippotherapy sessions)...
But now I'm thinking – why bother? And for what purpose? I could show the answers from the end of the textbook. I could even demonstrate how these answers were obtained (i.e., the solutions to the problems). But what's the point? I've already written everything I wanted to say.

So, in short:
1. I perceive the CIS Championship as a separate project.
I apologize to anyone I may have unintentionally offended by calling them "nobodies." But if a person wasn't present either in real life or on the forum, they are essentially just a technical voter. It's not up to them to decide where and how the CIS Championship should be held.
2. I still feel compelled to, hopefully, make one last jab at Mee. Instead of fighting with Merlin (who is, after all, just a collective image of the CIS, if you will, and who identifies the trend, rather than defining it – he simply voices it), instead of looking for a way to throw his 20-30k somewhere else, he should have used it to help his "brother" by adding to his travel expenses to get to Volgograd. You are not my enemy. And Asma, whom I helped with repairs and, when needed, with his children, and whose entire family I love (including his youngest brother) – I will still consider him a friend, even though he betrayed me a little and started "playing games" himself.
3. Regarding the results of the vote. I repeat. I took a firm and unambiguous position. The vote was held. It was up for a week. There were two applications: Volgograd and Yekaterinburg. Volgograd won. What followed was just some "strange games" (as they say).

We can talk and analyze for a long time about the mass "dumping" of votes for Korolev (among whom a judge, whom many consider and still consider to be an authority, also participated)... But, again, why and to what end?
Everyone draws their own conclusions. And I'll just leave this here... Screenshots from a stream...




it's unclear why the vote was even held.
even before it started, there were suspicions that, despite everything, the outcome would be exactly as Merlin decided!

the point system is simply brilliant – with its help, you can force anything, even put an owl on a globe and a hedgehog on a condom! Merlin also decides which major official Heroes tournaments should be awarded points for, and which shouldn't – he is the embodiment of objectivity and fairness, right! After all, mages are not subjects, but objects!
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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It’s unclear why they even held a vote.
Even before it started, there were suspicions that, no matter what, the outcome would be exactly as Merlin decides.
The point system is simply brilliant – with its help, you can force anything onto anything! Merlin also decides which of the main official Heroes of Might and Magic champions should receive points and which shouldn’t – he is the embodiment of objectivity and fairness, right!
Mages are not subjects, but objects!

wowa, please just write a correct, reasonable voting system that no one can surpass.
And calculate this specific vote according to it, so that a different result is obtained. (or not a vote at all, you know best what you consider correct).
Otherwise, it’s completely unclear what you’re writing about, like an old woman came to the housing office and complains that everything is bad.
But no one really cares about the old woman, but here you can write – how to live correctly. And it will be read, and it will probably even be taken into account if it is reasonable.
Take advantage of the opportunity. Write – how, in your opinion, this specific decision should have been made in these specific conditions?

An excellent, developing Yekaterinburg in terms of Heroes of Might and Magic, where few people outside of Siberia want to go; a reliable, proven Volgograd with excellent organization; and the unexpected Korolev with an ideal location and a relatively (at least compared to Yekaterinburg) large number of people who want to come specifically to the Moscow region.
How to make the right decision?
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Once again, to everyone who was part of the organizing committee for Yekaterinburg's bid, I personally want to express my gratitude for the time and effort you invested.
Yes, Sergey, you deserve a huge amount of respect. And especially you. In Yekaterinburg, a group of people is forming who want to organize their own regular Championship. And that's great!

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and a hedgehog on a condom
But I was told that you don't use condoms... They must be lying...
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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wowa, just please write a correct, reasonable voting system that no one can outdo.
And apply it to this specific vote to get a different result.
Otherwise, it's completely unclear what you're writing about; it's like an old lady came to the housing office and is complaining. How should one live correctly, in your opinion?
It's a normal system.
It's just that Korolev won according to it,
just like last time, when Yekaterinburg won.
Everything else is Merlin's own initiative, who declared his "system" as some kind of "criterion" and stated that silence means consent!
I'm not silent.
And I suggested, for starters, to take into account all the major annual Heroes events, and not just those that Merlin and his "system" approve of.
But they just brushed it off and didn't even try to recalculate.

But they've already started a new thread about CIS-17.
Who decided that? Merlin? He's not just a mage anymore, but a king, a god... oh yes, and also the head of the housing office! And who gave him such powers?
Voting is held to reach a consensus, but there is clearly no consensus, given the stubborn opinion of certain keyboard warriors...
"...the personal strengths and weaknesses of a leader are no true indication of the merits of his cause"

(с) Roger Zelazny
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but they already created a separate thread about CIS-17
who made that decision?
CIS is a self-organizing project that has no direct connection to this resource. The target audience of CIS voted to hold it in Volgograd in 2017. The decision was made by those who regularly attend and participate. Check out the voting results.
Korolev's team (with the exception of Vigo) was offered a consensus: to hold CIS-2018 in the Moscow region.
Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP
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Who decided that? Merlin? Is he now not only a mage, but also a king, a god, and the main person on this resource?
Wowa, how dare you talk about Merlin like that? And if you don't like the voting, don't vote. But since you voted, it means you agree that the votes should be counted as they are.
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it's a decent system
it's just that I won against Korolev using it...
I'm not staying silent.

Can you manage to tally the votes in a way that shows who won against Korolev? And then post the results here?
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