Voting for the location of the CIS-2107 tournament.

Alexxl

2/10/2017 10:30 PM UTC

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Guys, anyone can come – a friend, a brother, a relative, whoever… But the location should be chosen by those who actually go there (and this is a small group of players), and that’s why there’s a requirement of at least one year of registration to vote…

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злой_романтик

2/10/2017 10:31 PM UTC

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Wicc

Why should a vote in a multi-choice poll be divided? The task is to determine how many people are willing to come to the tournament. This is a linear sum of votes "for".

For example, 3 people participate in the vote, 2 of them are willing to come to both King's Bounty and Volgograd, and 1 person is willing to come only to Yekaterinburg. When dividing the votes, each city will get 1 point, but in reality, the quorum in Yekaterinburg will be twice as low.

I was just writing something similar, but you got ahead of me :)
Regarding the one-year registration... In my opinion, this is not a criterion; there are people with 3-4 years of registration and 0 activity. It would be better to look at activity on the forum.

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Alexxl

2/10/2017 10:32 PM UTC

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Wicc

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In theory, it sounds good, but how do you determine who will definitely participate in the tournament? Explain the mechanism.

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MerlinTheMagician

2/10/2017 10:40 PM UTC

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Wicc

For example, if 3 people participate in the vote, 2 of them are willing to travel to both Royal City and Volgograd, and 1 person is willing to travel only to Yekaterinburg. When dividing the votes, each city will receive 1 point, but in reality, the quorum in Yekaterinburg will be twice as low.

And this is what is called a "responsible choice."
I repeat: if a person has n points, then they have the right to distribute these n points among the candidates. Because otherwise, they will have 2n points, meaning that at the algorithmic level, they will have an advantage in influencing the vote compared to the person who wants to vote only for one city. This creates unequal conditions for voting, since the person voting for one city turns out to be "disadvantaged" in terms of the significance of their opinion (compared to the person who votes for two cities). And this will encourage everyone to vote for two cities – that is, to vote against the third city, which is not correct. We are voting NOT AGAINST any application, but FOR any application.
It must be understood that voting and willingness to travel are absolutely not the same thing... And therefore, the votes of those who have traveled several times before are more significant, since the probability of traveling is higher.

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP

Alexxl

2/10/2017 10:43 PM UTC

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In general, I think it would be best to limit the voting pool for the location of the CIS event to those who have already attended. Let them discuss and vote, and then make a decision for everyone. Then, all interested parties can choose whether or not to attend the CIS event. Democracy is good, but decisions should be made by those who actually understand what the event is, who have already been there. If you want to have a say in the future, come now, and your voice and opinion will be taken into account next year. Because sitting on your butt at a computer and breeding virtual horses, and traveling thousands of miles and spending a lot of money, are completely different things. It's not right to let armchair critics decide.

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MerlinTheMagician

2/10/2017 10:59 PM UTC

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Previously, there weren't such long queues of masochists eager to be organizers, "and that's why everything happened the way it did..."

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP

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Fas1kTV

2/10/2017 11:06 PM UTC

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Alexxl

Actually, I think it would be best to create a limited pool of people who vote for the location of the CIS event. For example, those who have already attended, chatted, voted, and made a decision for everyone. Then, all interested parties can choose whether or not to attend the CIS event.
Democracy is good, but the decisions should be made by those who really understand what this event is, who have already been there. If you want to have a say in the future, come now, and next year your voice and opinion will be taken into account.
Because sitting at a computer and playing the game is completely different from traveling to a faraway place and spending a lot of money. It's not worth letting armchair critics decide.

So, newcomers shouldn't be taken into account at all, as there's no certainty that they will come? But if someone vouches for a person and says that they will definitely come, will their "armchair" opinion be of interest to anyone? Of course, those who will participate should have more voting power, but completely disregarding the votes of those who have not yet attended the tournament seems too extreme.
And a gathering of old friends is, of course, very good... But there are also people who want to come and chat, join the Heroes community, etc. Personally, I can only make it to Korolev, and the option of "if they want to, they'll go there and back" seems a bit strange (+playing poker and other activities also requires money).
The more people there are, the cheaper the costs for the conference hall and everything else will be. Many live near Korolev. And if everything is beautiful and good there (and most importantly, cheaper), why not? :smile02:

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MerlinTheMagician

2/10/2017 11:22 PM UTC

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Fas1kTV

And a reunion with old friends is, of course, very nice... But there are also guys who want to come and chat, join the Heroes community, etc.

And who should adapt to whom?..
They will take the opinion into account, don't worry. As I said, we have Vic and Dirty, who stand guard over justice.

Нам это идеально подойдёт! (с)

"Совесть - она либо есть, либо её нет" (с) RedWhait HP

Vigo

2/10/2017 11:25 PM UTC

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Kirill, don't you want to calm down?

Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Noom

2/11/2017 12:27 AM UTC

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Alexxl

It sounds good in theory, but how do you determine who will definitely participate in the tournament? Explain the mechanism.

What about requiring a prepayment of, say, 20%?

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oxygen_hl

2/11/2017 12:51 AM UTC

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I agree with Merlin's voting system. One round is enough; there's no need to drag it out.

Я в мечеть не за праведным словом пришёл.
Не стремясь приобщиться к основам пришёл.
В прошлый раз утащил я молитвенный коврик,
Он истерся до дыр, - я за новым пришёл.
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Katherine

2/11/2017 3:33 AM UTC

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Alexxl

Well, as another option, someone already suggested not taking into account the votes of local residents.

But this is really unfair now...
Are locals not people, so their votes shouldn't be counted? There are many local Heroes players in Yekaterinburg, so maybe we shouldn't take Siberia into account when voting for him either, since it's so close...
I support multiple choices, but without separating the points. This will allow for a clearer understanding of how many people a particular city can gather, taking into account the "weight" of the votes of these people.

asm

2/11/2017 5:08 AM UTC

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1 point - Virtual participation 3 points - Attended one domestic CIS event 5 points - Attended one non-domestic CIS event (i.e., all 2+ automatically qualify), willing to provide a 10% advance payment for the trip before the voting ends Multiple choices are mandatory. This will show how many people actually want to go where. No splitting of points. It is necessary to find out where the largest quorum will be gathered. Any second rounds, etc., are nonsense. A simple multiple-choice poll will show where the largest number of people can travel, and that is the main criterion.

Van

2/11/2017 6:08 AM UTC

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Hello,
I suggest the following:
Participant - 2 points
Spectator - 1 point
If a person has previously attended a CIS event, their vote will have a coefficient of 1.5.
Each person who registers as a participant must contribute 3,000 rubles (or another amount) to the prize fund. If they do not attend or attend but as a spectator, the contribution is non-refundable.
Thus, a participant's vote will carry more weight because the event is presented as a competition. They support their vote with a contribution, which they undertake to transfer to the guarantor/judge within 3 days after the voting closes. If the contribution is not made, their vote will be counted as a spectator's vote. The voting results, along with a list of those who made contributions, will be published 3 days later.
Thus, the weight of the vote is financially supported, and no one is disadvantaged (unknown players, locals, those who disagree with Merlin, etc.). A person who has contributed money will strive to participate in the competition, and even if they do not make it, the prize fund will still be filled.
P.S. There is a 90% chance that I will not attend the CIS event (the only place that sparked interest during the May holidays was Sochi, but it has been canceled). However, I would like to wish all future organizers not to turn the CIS event into a drinking party for old friends, but to attract new participants and spectators

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Wicc

2/11/2017 6:48 AM UTC

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For a gathering of old friends, there's Heroic Fishing, the St. Petersburg M-200, the Siberian Championship, and so on. But the CIS Championship is primarily a sporting event. If it continues to be turned into an alcohol-fueled party, in a year or two, when real-life allows, I will organize the CIS Championship in a format of "only players + no alcohol + no poker." Let's not let it come to that. The method of counting votes – for example, the one Van suggested – seems fine to me. With multiple choices, of course. The desire of non-playing "old friends" to lobby for a significant weight to their vote is understandable, but it shouldn't be taken into account.