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Wasn't there a draw here? Is it no longer valid?
No, there isn't. I'll make a new one now.

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Draw for round 7:

Will-Dwp
Dexterwar-Bolivar
Moz-GL
Stefan-Vip
Noom-Killandaction
Dmitrik-m777gt
Stiletto-Yaghen
Eldarmoon-Chernobog

Round deadline - until 02/19.
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It's already done, I'll make a new one now

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Round 7 draw:

Will-Dwp
Dexterwar-Bolivar
Moz-GL
Stefan-Vip
Noom-Killandaction
Dmitrik-m777gt
Stiletto-Yaghen
Eldarmoon-Chernobog

Round deadline - until 02/19
I don't understand, to be honest, please explain it to me for my general knowledge:
Why is Dexterwar, who is in 1st place, playing against Bolivar, who is in the group of underdogs?! Dex (considering previous opponents) should be playing against G_L.
Noom is playing against me?! who is even lower in the table than Bolivar?? Noom should be playing (considering the points scored and previous opponents) against Moz.
Accordingly
Bolivar (considering the points scored and previous opponents) should be playing against either Eldar or Chernobog (who are still bots anyway)
Killa (considering the points scored and previous opponents) against Yaughen or Chernobog...
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I don't understand, to be honest. Please explain it to me for my general knowledge:
Why is Dexterwar, who is in 1st place, playing against Bolivar, who is in the group of underdogs?! Dex (considering his previous opponents) should be playing against G_L.
I don't really pay much attention to the draw, but I've already played against G_L.
P.S. If the draw is final, I'll start playing from tomorrow.
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I'm not really paying much attention to the draw, but I've already played against GL.
P.S. If the draw is final, I'll start playing tomorrow.
So, he's playing against someone else.
Actually, what difference does it make? I don't care... why am I so worked up? :D
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This is exactly the kind of situation that bothered me. 2 leaders (5 points) played against each other and against everyone from Group 2 (4 points), except for Dvp; Vilu was unlucky. Accordingly, Dex got an opponent from Group 3 (3 points) chosen randomly from those who hadn't played against him yet (Bolivar was unlucky). Num plays against Kila because he remained in the senior group without an opponent, and he was randomly assigned an unplayed opponent from the junior group. The draw is final. I experienced all the drawbacks of the Swiss system; I won't use it again. [Added 2 hours 16 minutes later] I plan to launch a spring tournament starting March 1st. I want to discuss the tournament format with the active members; the Swiss system didn't work out. There won't be enough time for a round-robin tournament with a large number of people, and the tournament duration is 3 months. There's this option: a tournament for 13 people, 12 games, exactly 3 months long. Anyone can register, but if there are more than 13 applicants, the lowest-ranked players will be eliminated. The tournament will not be official but will be part of my series of seasonal games, culminating in a winter tournament for the title of best player. The local ranking will be used; it seems it's already being launched. If it doesn't launch, I'll calculate it myself. The advantage of this scheme is that if all the experienced players register, there will be almost no newbies left, and the games will become more interesting. In general, the idea is roughly similar to Mozov's league, but slightly expanded and without complications. Share your thoughts on the idea and suggest your own! The main limitation is a 3-month duration and no more
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I plan to launch a spring tournament on March 1st.
I want to discuss the tournament format with active players; the Swiss system didn't work well, and there won't be enough time for a round-robin tournament with a large number of people; the tournament duration is 3 months.
Here's an option: a tournament for 13 people, 12 games, exactly 3 months long.
Anyone can register, but if there are more than 13 participants, the lowest-ranked players will be eliminated.
The tournament will not be official, but rather part of my series of seasonal games, culminating in a winter tournament for the title of best player.
We will use the local ranking system; it seems like it's already being launched. If it doesn't launch, I'll calculate it myself.
The advantage of this scheme is that if all the experienced players register, there will be almost no newbies left, making the game more interesting.
In general, the idea roughly corresponds to Mozovsky's proposal on the league, only slightly expanded and without complications.
Share your thoughts on the idea and offer your own! The main limitation is a 3-month timeframe and no more.
Vitaly, there is a special topic for discussing upcoming tournaments.
Also, remember that the Creator has implemented an automatic system that should now be used when organizing a new tournament.
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So, he's playing with someone else. But honestly, who cares? I don't really mind... Why am I so worked up? :D


I don't really pay much attention to who gets matched with whom. Dex got matched – that's good.
And it's even better that it wasn't Eldar or Chernobog bots.

I just have one question: do we really need to wait until the end of the tournament to ban Eldar and Chernobog? Isn't six rounds enough to realize that they're not participating, they're not contributing anything to the tournament, and they don't care? Shouldn't we remove them from the schedule now?
Is it necessary to show a large number of participants in the final standings for this tournament?
Yavgen, for example, clearly stated at the beginning of December that he was withdrawing from the tournament. (We sometimes play together). Why is Yavgen still on the schedule? It's February now.
Maybe we should reduce the number of participants to those who are actually participating (the three players I mentioned in this post can easily be removed). We'll play the tournament faster and finish it sooner.
Or am I missing something?

P.S. Vip, since you admitted that the Swiss system is falling apart in this situation, can you make a suggestion for future rounds? My suggestion is: don't pair me with bots. If you really want to keep them, pair them with each other. Like in the 7th round – and continue like that until the end of the tournament.
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I don't really pay much attention to who gets which faction. If you get Dex, that's good.
And it's even better that it's not Eldar or Chernobog bots.

I only have one question: do you really need to wait until the end of the tournament to ban Eldar and Chernobog? Isn't six rounds enough to understand that they're not playing, they're not contributing anything to the tournament, and they don't care about it? Shouldn't they be removed from the schedule now?
Is it necessary to show a large number of participants in the final standings for this tournament?
Yavgen, for example, clearly stated at the beginning of December that he was withdrawing from the tournament. (We sometimes play together). Why put Yavgen on the schedule? It's February now.
Maybe it's worth reducing the number of participants to those who are actually participating (the three players I mentioned in this post can easily be removed). We'll play the tournament faster and finish it sooner.
Or am I missing something?

P.S. Vip, since you yourself admitted that the Swiss system is falling apart in this situation, can you make a suggestion for future rounds? The suggestion is: don't pair me with bots. If you really want to keep them, pair them with each other. Like in the 7th round - and that's how it will be until the end of the tournament.
Unfortunately, these are all the drawbacks of the Swiss system, where you can't exclude anyone during the tournament, otherwise the whole scheme will collapse!
4 players will be banned from the next tournament; this was obvious after 2 rounds.
If I remove them, it won't affect the tournament schedule in any way - 7 rounds.
It's not only possible but also necessary to express wishes for future tournaments; I wrote about this in the post above!
And there definitely won't be any bots there!!!
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Ah, if there are only 7 rounds and this is the last one, then the questions are resolved.
Regarding bans – I assume that players who requested to be removed from the tournament will not receive a ban, right? That would be logical.
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I was thinking that many people will be away for the May holidays, so it would be better to reduce the number of games. Here's an option for the spring part of the series: 4 groups of 4 people each, a little more or a little less depending on the number of participants, 1 game with each, the stakes for each game are very high, only 2 participants advance from each group! This lasts for a month. Then, a playoff according to the A1-D2, A2-D1, B1-C2, B2-C1 scheme, 2 games, the first is random, the second is a mirror match, the same map is used for both games, if there's a tie, the player who achieves victory faster wins. Then, the same scheme is used for the semi-finals and finals, with a break for the May holidays, which is exactly 3 months. In total, a maximum of 9 games. The groups will be formed based on the principle of "strong player, strong player, average player, newbie" depending on the participants' ratings. The main focus is on the playoffs, where, in theory, the strongest players should be concentrated. This is a great scheme, by the way! We should use it.
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Okay.
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I was thinking that many people will be away for the May holidays, so it would be better to reduce the number of games.

Here's an option for the spring part of the series:
4 groups of 4 people each, a little more or a little less depending on the number of participants, 1 game with each, the price of each game is very high, only 2 participants advance from each group! This lasts for a month.
Then, a playoff according to the A1-D2, A2-D1, B1-C2, B2-C1 scheme, 2 games, the first is random, the second is a mirror match, the same map for both games, if there's a tie, the one who achieves a faster victory advances.
Then, the same scheme for the semi-finals and finals, with a break for the May holidays, which is exactly 3 months. In total, a maximum of 9 games.
The groups will be formed according to the principle of strong player, strong player, average player, newbie, depending on the participants' rating.
The main focus is on the playoffs, where, in theory, the strongest players should be concentrated.
This is a great scheme, by the way :) We should use it.
Vitaly, this is for a different topic. This message is not for the topic of this tournament.
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What prevents us from organizing 2 tournaments? One could be a seasonal tournament, as Vip suggested, and the other could be a completely random Heroes of Might and Magic III tournament?
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What prevents us from organizing 2 tournaments? One could be a seasonal tournament, as Vip suggested, and the other could be a completely random Heroes III tournament?
Nothing prevents us, except for the main thing: the availability of players.
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I've experienced all the drawbacks of the Swiss system; I won't use it again. (

Added 2 hours 16 minutes ago
) I plan to launch a spring tournament on March 1st. I want to discuss the tournament format with the active members. The Swiss system didn't work out, and a round-robin format won't be feasible with a large number of participants, given the 3-month tournament duration.
In my opinion, the Swiss system was exactly what was needed. There's enough time to allow players to catch up and wait for those who are behind, and the intrigue remains until the very end of the tournament. I personally enjoyed playing, except for the game against GL (which I started in a bad mood), who disappeared, and as it turned out today (when a bunch of messages for the last week arrived), his ICQ was malfunctioning. My public apologies to Boris for any harsh words in the chat.
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