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RAPER

6/21/2007 10:03 AM UTC

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vbn;97754

It's interesting that the fourth player, who collected the maximum amount of gold, never figured out how to keep more than one griffin...

by the way, I thought about that too... hmm... I wonder where they got so much money? =))

играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)

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vbn

6/21/2007 10:21 AM UTC

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By the way, I also made it into the top 4... :o

Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...

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AmberSoler

6/21/2007 10:44 AM UTC

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RAPER;97746

radik.. I'm very curious how you managed to get such a sum if you only had 1 angel in reserve =)).....(or did I misunderstand).... or is this a joke?? =))

We were just joking... :) The guards are generated along with the map and do not change...

about the snipers on the snow- also don't understand.. I was surprised myself how that happened... i.e., he moves 1 step longer with snipers than without them...... (or same).... it was enough for me to take the armor, gold, enter the portal, and make 1 step there.......

I think it doesn't matter. Just figure out the correct turn management and that's it. For example, a hero might not reach the portal (with incorrect troop placement), but they are unlikely to increase their movement by spreading out troops...

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IronAxe

6/21/2007 11:22 AM UTC

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RAPER;97755

by the way, I thought about that too... hmm... I wonder where they got so much money from? =))

And I was out fishing for two days and don't understand anything at all, because I don't remember how I played it myself. But here's what I think:
1. Battle with the Arhames - I saved two Dracs + Pikeman + a tent (I think if I hadn't clung to the tent, I probably could have saved the Griffin, really, why did it fall on me?). And I didn't even try to split the two Dracs into two slots to play the battle that way, I didn't think of it.
2. I exchanged a Drac for money in the hut so that the hero was left with empty slots - this saves another Pikeman.
3. I took the canned goods without losses in one go. On my side, all the yellow snakes + 4 riders attacked.
4. I didn't exchange the Ethnos for snipers.
5. In the end, all the heroes had only 1 Pikeman in their pockets. And one hero was empty. Everything else was sold. All battles without losses, except for the battle with the Angels (lost 5 Griffins).
6. But a Griffin costs 140, and a Pikeman costs 42 (the cheapest unit to sell on this map).
7. The canned goods gave 2 Angels.

And I can't figure out how such differences in results can occur, possibly due to a hangover, but even so, if anyone knows, please share their theories. For example:
13. IronAxe 33866+
14. Kamikaze 33838+
The difference is 28.

If I add 140 (the cost of one Griffin) to my result and subtract the cost of one Pikeman, as in the case of Ataman, where in the battle with the Arhames he saved a Griffin instead of a Pikeman.
33866+140-42=33964

34041-33964=77
In this regard, I have a question: where did the leaders get the extra 77 in their results?

And if we compare this result (33964) with the result of Dmitry AS, then
33957-33964= -7. I don't understand where Dmitry AS didn't get the extra 7 in his result?

Something is wrong with me and the numbers :) Maybe someone will explain? Or I'll try to piece together the picture from the descriptions that will be published. If it doesn't work, it's not my fault :) I'll keep bothering you :)

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RAPER

6/21/2007 11:44 AM UTC

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IronAxe;97765

I was out fishing for two days and didn't pay attention, so I don't really understand, because I don't remember how I played it myself. But here's what I came up with:
1. Battle with the Arachs - I saved two Drac + Pikeman + a tent (I think if I hadn't clung to the tent, I probably could have saved the Griffin, but why did it even fall on me?). And I didn't even try to split the two Dracs into two slots to conduct the battle that way, I didn't think of it.
2. I exchanged the Drac for money in the hut, so the hero was left with empty slots - this saves another Pikeman.
3. I took the Canned Goods without losses in one go. On my side, all the yellow snakes + 4 cavalry attacked.
4. I didn't change the Ethnos into snipers.
5. In the end, all the heroes had only 1 Pikeman in their inventory. And one hero was empty. Everything else was sold. All battles were won without losses, except for the battle with the Angels (lost 5 Griffins).
6. But a Griffin costs 140, and a Pikeman costs 42 (the cheapest unit to sell on this map).
7. The Canned Goods gave 2 Angels.

And I can't figure out how such differences in results can occur, possibly due to a hangover, but even so, if anyone knows, please share your theories. For example:
13. IronAxe 33866+
14. Kamikaze 33838+
The difference is 28... what?

If I add 140 (the cost of one Griffin) to my result and subtract the cost of one Pikeman, as in the case of Ataman, where he saved a Griffin instead of a Pikeman in the battle with the Arachs.
33866+140-42=33964

34041-33964=77
In this regard, I have a question: where did the leaders get the extra 77 in their results?

And if we compare this result (33964) with the result of Dmitry AS, then
33957-33964= -7. I don't understand where Dmitry AS didn't get the extra 7 in his result?

Something's not right with the numbers :) Maybe someone can explain? Or I'll try to piece together the picture from the descriptions that will be published. If not, it's not my fault :) I'll keep asking.

I didn't calculate it exactly, but I also figured out that you can deviate from my result by a maximum of 600-700, but I don't understand where they got 900 from... I'll keep asking until you tell me=))

играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)

Ley

6/21/2007 12:35 PM UTC

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I have a question for vbn: please answer post #764. I see the situation like this: if I add the cost of these two snipers to my result and subtract the 3 griffins that you didn't save, I get 33994 gold, but you have something much higher. And if we add the price of 3 griffins to 34041, we get exactly the "ceiling" of 34461! P.S. I can't understand one thing: everything seems the same as for everyone else, but my (possible) highest result is exactly 33994 (meaning without the 3 griffins), and yours is 34041? This is exactly what I want to understand, how is that possible?

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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vbn

6/21/2007 12:50 PM UTC

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IronAxe: 7 coins is the difference in cost between a gnoll marauder and a pikeman. Ley: 33994-33987 = 7 coins is the difference in cost between a gnoll marauder and a pikeman. And you are right about the limit - 34461. I'm amazed that players who took first place in most stages of the blitz tournament couldn't figure out how to save 4 griffins. Ley - respect! I think chess players would have something to learn from you.

Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...

Kamikaze

6/21/2007 1:19 PM UTC

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Walkthrough description for the fifth stage of the "Conservatory" blitz tournament.
At the start, there are five heroes, and another one is in prison.
Aiden – the most powerful of all – against seven Archangels.
Labeta – against fifty-three Wyverns.
Adjit – frankly, it's unclear who he's against, probably Pandora (45 harpies).
Serena – against one harpy, essentially so they would allow her to take Armageddon's Blade.
Fyuir – the most fashionable hero in recent series – against the actual Conservatory of griffons.
And finally Dessa – he is the one who will remain in an "interesting" position at the end of the game.

Battle #1. Aiden positions his units (1 Griffon – 1 Griffon – 1 Griffon – 1 Pikeman – 1 Griffon – 1 Griffon – 1 Dragon).
With this arrangement, the Archangels kill five griffons and take 90 health from the dragon. Cast "Force Field," behind which the pikeman hides. The next task is to manage to blind the two bottom Archangels before they kill the dragon. This is doable if the tent works at full capacity. And so on, alternating "Force Field" and "Lightning" spells, we destroy the enemy. Losses: 5 Griffons.
Aiden then takes the Nomad and a pile of gold (5000), trades one dragon for passage through the guards, and stops near the portal to wait.
The tent remains intact – I never found out if it is needed later.
Battle #2. Labeta. In the first moment, she moves the snipers to the left (it's more convenient on the snow). To the right stands the Seer's tree, who exchanges the Spirit of Despair for 500 coins. The artifact is useful, of course, but I advise against taking it anyway. Losses in this reported battle are unlikely to exceed 500 gold. In the starting arrangement, she also split the gargoyles in half. There was just enough mana to avoid losing a single unit. A hit-and-run type of battle, slowed flies against fast units and magic.
Battles #3-4. Adjit. There is a very interesting quest here: it's offered to trade very useful snipers for wooden types like Dendroids. Specifically two for two, and the most interesting part is that dendroids are cheaper than snipers. So Adjit runs for the gold (1200) to the swamp (don't forget to move the snipers to the left of the gnolls). Then back to the portal. But first, you must finish the movement of Labeta and Aiden.
After the battle, Labeta learns literacy, takes the cash (2500) and the Titan's Cuirass, and runs to the portal. Just enough move points remain to jump out of the portal, take the dragon from Aiden, and go trade the green one for cash (3000).
Aiden leaves through the portal. Just one move left to give the dragon and the tent to Labeta. After that, our heretic retires.
Adjit again. Learns Lightning, takes the snipers, tent, gargoyles, Nomad, and Titan's Cuirass from Labeta; gives a gnoll in exchange and waits.
Now it's Serena's turn. She learns Lightning from Labeta and takes the gnoll. Labeta is left with one dragon and runs to trade the green one for money with the Seer. Serena, with one sniper and a gnoll, heads to the portal and kills a harpy (12,12) on the way. And Adjit clears the glade by taking Pandora (10000), who is, however, protected by 45 harpies. Lightning and the Cuirass help a lot in this. He then stops at the portal. Waiting for Serena.
Battle #5 start. Serena meets Fyuir on the other side of the portal and trades a wolf for a sniper and a gnoll. Next, she releases Dessa from prison and returns to the Conservatory. She takes the pikeman from Fyuir and attacks the Conservatory (after taking the cuirass from Adjit). Serena has one wolf and one pikeman, but she has the Titan's Cuirass. The Royal Griffon attacks the pikeman, the wolf moves. A Lightning strike on the royal one and minus 20 enemies. Serena leaves the arena.
Battle #5 conclusion. Fyuir exchanges with Adjit: gives air elementals, a gnoll, pikemen and takes the artifacts. Dessa runs to his friends. Opens the quest guard, takes 2 riders, gives the wyverns and riders to Fyuir, and takes the swordsmen from him. Fyuir attacks the conservatory and ...... wipes out the remaining beasts without losses. The main thing is that his own units rarely fight among themselves. Fyuir's army (19 archers, 4 riders, 5 snipers, 15 wyverns).
Zoo. Here is another little nuance. Give Dessa 1 Angel and 2 Riders, he opens the quest guards and is left without units (this way we saved another pikeman). The lower guard opens, he takes the Blade, picks up the Necklace. Adjit takes his units to the guild. On the way to the Freelancer Guild, Fyuir receives the artifacts from Dessa, sells the beasts to the zoo - Freelancer Guild, we have 33838 gold! Victory.

TOTAL GOLD QUANTITY:
5000 – Aiden near the Nomad
2500 – Labeta immediately after the dragonflies
1200 – Adjit in the swamp
3000 – Labeta for the Green Dragon at the Seer
10000 – Adjit in Pandora
2100 – Angel
1400 (2*700) – Riders
2520 (15*168) – Wyverns
1400 (5*280) – Snipers
1330 (19*70) – Archers
840 (4*210) – Swordsmen
140 – Nomad
49 – Gnoll Marauder
1470 (35*42) - Pikemen
364 (4*91) – Gargoyles
525 (3*175) – Air Elementals
33838

PS. Another good option is for Dessa to attack the conservatory instead of Serena with three wyverns. He slams Lightning four times for 335 damage at a time. Then +pikeman+wolf-3 wyverns (+42+70-3*168=-392), which amounts to 33838-392=33446

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Ley

6/21/2007 1:27 PM UTC

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vbn;97778

Ley: 34041 - 33994 = 7 - this is the difference in cost between a Gnoll Marauder and a Spearman.

I disagree! You're not very good at math :) Just look, 34041-7=34034, not 33994!

And you're right about the limit - 34461.
vbn;97778I'm amazed that players who took first place in most of the blitz tournament stages
couldn't figure out how to save 4 Griffons. Ley - respect!
I think chess players could learn something from you.

I don't understand it myself, but thanks ;)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

Kamikaze

6/21/2007 1:52 PM UTC

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How did the 28-kopek difference with Iron come about? I don't understand.
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And this is – wolf 70, pikeman 42, griffin 140, total 252+33838=34090,
subtract the pikeman 42 and the difference between the gnoll and the pikeman, which is 7, total 34041. This is clear.
You did it again, mages! :)

Ta Kotoraya...

6/21/2007 2:04 PM UTC

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Yeah... I failed again=))). I'm starting to get used to it... And yet, the most frustrating thing is that I couldn't avoid losing the gargoyles - under all conditions, 3 out of 4 were lost :(. That's one thing. Secondly, of course, the battle with the archers... they kept killing the griffins and the pikeman... persistently... too bad... I'll try watching walkthroughs by our "masters" now ;) I'll learn something eventually ;)

Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...

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vbn

6/21/2007 2:04 PM UTC

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Here you write:

Ley;97720

My score is 33847, just like Fanat's.

And then:
If I add the cost of these two snipers to my score:
33847 + 280 * 2 = 34407

and subtract the 3 griffins that you didn't save:
34407 - 140 * 3 = 33987

Ley

then you get 33994 gold...

No! You get 33987, not 33994,
you confused me with these 7 pennies.

Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...

Kamikaze

6/21/2007 2:12 PM UTC

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.....okay, there's an option, but in the second turn, you need to position your units diagonally from top to bottom: 1D, 1G, 2G, 1D, 1G. Then, one of the Archons flies to H11H12 - and we must definitely eliminate him, specifically him. Next, eliminate the lower Archon, then the last potentially dangerous one. And then simply take out all the Archangels one by one with Lightning. to Ley: Bravo, well done, perfect!!!

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Ley

6/21/2007 2:24 PM UTC

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vbn;97809

No! It will be 33987, not 33994,
you confused me with these 7 coppers.

I didn't confuse anyone, I just meant that the gnoll doesn't remain, and instead of him, there is 1 pikeman, that's where the 7 gold comes from (I did write: "possible upper limit")

P.S. You probably meant 7 gold :)

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to Ley:
Bravo, well done, perfect!!!

Thank you very much! But we should remember that fanat also had the same losses ;)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

Kamikaze

6/21/2007 2:39 PM UTC

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By the way, I figured out the Iron's gold points.
I was losing a wolf and a pikeman to weaken the griffons (-70, -42), meaning Serena finishes the game taking these units with her. Iron has a pikeman (-42). For now, the difference is 70 points. Then, Dessa gave away an Angel and Guardians to the quest guardians and was left empty, but he still had a pikeman, another minus 42 points.
In total, 70 - 42 = 28, these are the small differences, and Kamikaze loses a position in the table :smile05:

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