Voting for the location of the CIS-2107 tournament.

MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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=Stinger=

It's actually amusing to watch Merlin's hysteria, as he tried in every way to undermine the Ekaterinburg bid (sometimes openly, sometimes subtly), mocked Korolev (saying "submit an application, but when you do, it's already too late"), and criticized the points system and openly supported Volgograd.
I myself would gladly go to Volgograd if I could, but the initial goal of the CIS tournaments was to have different locations, different cities, and new faces, etc.
Of course, it's great when you have 10+ regular attendees with 60+ points, and you can lobby for something based on their desires, but that's not the right approach.
And Merlin is clearly annoyed and it's quite amusing :D

In reality, it's amusing to watch Stinger's pathetic attempts to dispute the results of the completed vote... Stinger, who tried in every way not to vote for either Volgograd or Ekaterinburg. Who openly supported Korolev (why is that all of a sudden?...) because he is not ready to go to either Ekaterinburg or Volgograd... (unlike Merlin, who directly told all potential organizers that if Merlin goes and does something in the format of a show program, he will do so under certain conditions - and these conditions lie solely and exclusively within the framework of compensating for the monetary expenses for travel and accommodation (and why should it be any different?)... and if you recalculate it in "pure cash," then Merlin is in absolute deficit in the history of all CIS championships... And for the past few years, there has been a formula: if Merlin goes "at his own expense," then he participates with everyone on equal terms... Maybe the esteemed Stinger works at his favorite job for free? Maybe the esteemed Stinger is willing to invest his resources in the amount of 50-100k in the organization of each CIS tournament? And Merlin invests this resource (in the form of, actually, an on-site event with two "original scenarios" and the organization of the event itself) regularly... At least 4 out of 6 times...

=Stinger=

9 years ago

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Too much Merlin.
Who is questioning the results? What are you even talking about... It's disgusting to read your nonsense.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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=Stinger=

Who is questioning the results? What are you talking about... It's disgusting to read your nonsense.

Tyoma, you are the one questioning them, aren't you? )))

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=Stinger=

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

Tema, aren't you the one challenging this? ...)))

Vitya created a poll about Korolev.
To be honest, Korolev is personally interesting to me, and as we've seen, it's interesting to about twenty other people as a potential location for a CIS event.
Why can't I vote for it?
And regarding the vote between Yekaterinburg and Vladivostok, I expressed my opinion from the outside. This is how I see it. I didn't dispute the results:
22 to 20 in favor of Yekaterinburg :D

And, by the way, why should I have voted for Yekaterinburg or Vladivostok if I know I won't be going to either place?

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Mee

9 years ago

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Merlin:
1) Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?
2) Where do you get so many demands, saying that I should pay for everything and then you'll come and organize everything? It seems a bit greedy on your part. Neither I, nor Asm, nor anyone else from the CIS organizers asked for money for their work/time and investments; everything was on a voluntary basis and with enthusiasm.

=Stinger=

And, by the way, why should I have voted for Yekaterinburg or Vladivostok if I know I won't go to either place?

But in Yekaterinburg, my cocktails would be waiting for you!))

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

Merlin:
1) Why do you talk about yourself in the third person?
2) Where did you get so many demands, saying that I should pay for everything and you will come and organize everything – this is somehow greedy of you. Neither I, nor Asm, nor anyone else from the CIS organizers asked for money for their work/time and investments; everything was on a voluntary basis and with enthusiasm.

Neither you, nor Asm (although, I have no complaints about him – the VT project is entirely his merit), actually organized 4 CIS Championships (with original scenarios, I repeat). You didn't participate in 6 out of 6 poker championships. Except for (partially) 2010 and 2012, you came when everything was already prepared... You didn't provide legal support to the organizers (which I provided, if you like, all these years, starting in 2012...). And if in 2012 I was an organizer myself, then everything that happened after that is, at the very least, not within your competence...
Understand, Vovan, I have no reason to compete with anyone – neither with you, nor with Stinger (who suddenly decided to act in a way that is unclear to me – or rather, clear, but not quite expected).
A vote was announced. It was announced in advance. It was announced according to specific and, in general, OBJECTIVE criteria. Everyone voted as they saw fit...

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=Stinger=

And, by the way, why should I have voted for Yekaterinburg or Vladivostok if I know that I won't go to either place?

And here, no comments are needed...

=Stinger=

9 years ago

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Kirill, you're being too negative and judgmental, that's why I responded. There are many things I don't understand either. You yourself asked Vigo to submit an application, and then you suddenly changed your mind.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Kirill, you're spreading too much negativity and making biased judgments, that's why I responded. There are many things I don't understand either. You yourself asked Vigo to submit an application, and then you went completely overboard.

Tyoma, if I ask you to confirm each of your arguments with a direct quote or specific circumstances, can you handle it?
1. In what context and about whom did I spread negativity, i.e., where and when did I distort or completely fabricate facts about the actual voting for the location of CIS-2017?
2. When did I write or say to Vigo to challenge the results of the current (or rather, already completed) vote?
3. What the hell would happen if, hypothetically, such a situation occurred, and Vigo would, like a complete idiot, fulfill Merlin's will?...
4. What the hell are you writing instead of Vigo?..

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Mee

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

Except for 2010 and 2012 (partially), they always came when everything was already prepared... They didn't provide legal support to the organizers (which I provided, if you will, for all those years, starting in 2012...). And if in 2012 I was part of the organizing team, then everything that happened afterward was, at the very least, not within your area of responsibility...

I won't say anything about 2012, but for the rest, yes, I did come, and everything was either ready or almost ready. But if they had asked for help, I would have gladly provided it. In 2013 and 2014, I organized a Heroes competition – maps, selection, prizes, and one order for Heroes-themed plastic cards was quite a hassle (we even involved Cobra!). By the way, I still have 3-4 sets of them left; we could raffle them off somewhere or organize another Heroes competition. So, it's not fair to talk about my idleness and coming when everything is already done, unless, of course, I get paid for organizing a Heroes competition)))

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

So, there's no need to talk about my idleness and showing up when everything is already prepared, unless, of course, I get paid for participating in the Heroic Race.

The key word here is "idleness." Over the years, excluding the organizational year of 2012, which, by the way, was equally challenging for all of us (Mee, Asma, and Merlin), you specifically failed the Heroic Race in 2013-2014 (yes, you failed it because you refused to send me the Heroic Race save files for review in advance, and as a result, during the 2014 broadcast, it turned out that Mee had the save from Odessa, which wasn't played in 2013). So, if you personally get paid for the Heroic Race, the idea for which, by the way, belongs to Merlin, and for the fact that Mee personally, if you will, failed the WT project, donate the money to charity...
And you don't understand the main thing: Merlin as a player consistently performs poorly in the CIS region. There was only one exceptional case when he managed to achieve a positive balance in the CIS thanks to poker (by the way, in 2012, when Merlin managed to perform better than the Great Mee in the main Heroic Tournament, who condescendingly considered him a "0.5 player," and as a result, Merlin was ahead of the Great Mee, as well as in 2014)...

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Mee

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

You failed the Heroic Race in 2013-2014 (and indeed, you failed because you refused to send me the Heroic Race saves for review in advance - and as a result, during the 2014 program, it turned out that the save file from Mee - from Odessa - was not a new one from 2013.

It's not clear what the failure was, the save file worked and hadn't been used before, and everything else was prepared.

MerlinTheMagician

Therefore, if you personally receive money for the Heroic Race, the idea of which, by the way, belongs to Merlin.

What??? Your idea??? Did you also come up with the idea of holding the CIS tournament? And did you invent Facebook before Zuckerberg, but forgot to patent it? Did you write Windows and give it to Gates? What else don't we know about you?
You're taking too much credit, Kirill!

MerlinTheMagician

...by the way, in 2012, Merlin managed to perform better in the main Heroic tournament than the Great Mee, who condescended to consider him as "0.5 of a player," and as a result, Merlin was ahead of the Great Mee, as well as in 2014.

What are you talking about? How could I have played well if I slept a total of 10 hours over the 5 days of the CIS tournament and the day before, because I was solving various organizational issues? You should remember how you lost to me in 2010, where at least we were both in equal conditions.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

What??? Your idea???

Hello, little one!... Have you decided to "forget" everything?... The idea of the Heroic Race itself, as well as its name and concept, is the product of Merlin's imagination...

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Mee

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

a product of Merlin's imagination...

Why are you writing about yourself in the third person? Is that supposed to be cool?
It seems like writing "I," "my," "mine," etc., is clearer and uses fewer letters.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

What are you talking about? How could I have played properly if, over the 5 days of the CIS tournament and the day before it, I slept a total of 10 hours because I was dealing with various organizational issues? You should remember how you lost to me in 2010; at least we were both in equal conditions then.

Friend, I'm not going to argue with you. Everyone who was at the CIS tournament knows and understands that Merlin spent, on average, 15-16 hours sleeping throughout the entire period... (And almost everyone doesn't understand why Merlin needed to do that...). There is one notable exception in terms of the number of hours slept – 2015, when Mee wasn't even there...
Once again: 1. I absolutely don't care about how Vova-Mee is living now (whom I, in any case, remember and acknowledge that he was an inspirer of the WT project at one time), just as he doesn't care about me.
2. I will not allow myself to manipulate facts or manipulate the voting results – I proposed a voting system, and it was adopted by a qualified majority...
3. I believe that if the Heroes players, in their qualified majority, voted for a particular option, then they should be responsible for their vote...
4. According to the results of the qualified voting system, in accordance with the stated criteria, the Volgograd bid won.
The bid won in a fair and competitive contest.

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KillAndAction

9 years ago

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Merlin, Merlin, Merlin, Merlin, Merlin...
Merlin is everywhere, there's no one else, and no one else is needed in the CIS region, only Merlin.
No offense.
Isn't there too much "Merlin"? :eek: