Voting for the location of the CIS-2107 tournament.

MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

yes, that's correct, but they don't account for 1/3 of all the points

Yes, Asm and Katerina don't account for 1/3 of all the points... they account for slightly less: one-fourth... together... You three have 13 points, which is exactly one-third of the total points for Ekb, even more than one-third... Out of the three of you, only you played. I don't see any difference...
I don't understand. If you're not happy with the point system itself, where were you when it was announced before the voting?
If you're not happy with this point system, why weren't you there at the start of the voting, and why did you wait until it was over?
If you're not happy with this point system, why didn't you suggest a different voting system?
Don't deceive yourself or others. It's obvious to everyone.
Objectively, there were two applications. A voting format was announced. Every voter, in essence, agreed with the proposed voting format. And you too.
The voting system is open and transparent.

As for Oxy and DD (they'll probably write to you themselves) - these two are currently, within the Dendroids Foundation, funding the trip of the current CIS Champion to the next CIS championship (in 2016, they funded Hellight's trip). So, if it's only about the "money" you're willing to invest (and you did invest in Ekb-2012, no one would argue) - then these guys are also really investing in the development and support of CIS championships.

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Mee

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

...where were you before...

I was here and suggested an alternative solution that would exclude voting:
I suggested that the organizers communicate, negotiate, and someone agree to give up 2017 and reserve 2018.

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St_Klaus

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

Toganash – 1 (2015)

Kirill, are you sure? Something doesn't seem right here: either the number or the year is incorrect, because Sergey was definitely in St. Petersburg in 2016.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

I suggested that the organizers communicate, come to an agreement, and one of them give up hosting in 2017 and book 2018.

No, there isn't the word "book" here, you see? The organizers work for the audience. The audience determines everything that concerns the CIS region. It won't be the organizers who choose the game templates, but the players themselves; how else can I explain it...? The CIS organizer is not a boss, not an owner. The CIS organizer is a "workhorse" that acts for the benefit of its audience.

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St_Klaus

Kirill, are you sure? Something is wrong here: either the number or the year, because in St. Petersburg in 2016, Sergey was definitely there.

The year is wrong, thank you.

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Grando

9 years ago

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Mee

Yes, that's correct, but they don't account for 1/3 of all points.

Could you elaborate on the 1/3? I don't quite understand what you're writing, but I'll try to calculate up to 50. So, if I understand correctly, the argument about 1/3 for Volgograd included Merlin (6) + IDD (6) + Oxygen (6) = 18 / 49.5 = 36.3% of Volgograd's total. For Yekaterinburg, by analogy, it's Mee (5) + Asm (5) + for example, Katya (3) = 13 / 36.4 = 35.7% of Yekaterinburg's total. And by the way, if I calculated correctly, I have a counter-question: why focus on an emotional argument that can be easily verified in both directions? Why not focus on the essence? Even at a glance, there are two possible interpretations of this "essence": 1) Forget about the voting and have those negotiations with the organizers from Volgograd and persuade them to withdraw their application, because if Volgograd withdraws, the vote won't matter (or make sure that this is not a viable idea, and think harder). 2) Look for real flaws in Merlin's weighting system (but this is just a theoretical idea; as an outside, unbiased observer, I don't see any particular flaws. I generally respect weighted voting on a scale of 10 out of 10; the question is in the method of determining the weights themselves, but I haven't delved into that, but it seems more reasonable than Merlin's idea, and no one seems to have proposed a concrete solution)

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Mee

9 years ago

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Al Feyn

So, if I understand correctly, the argument about 1/3 for Volgograd included Merlin (6) + IDD (6) + Oxygen (6) = 18 / 49.5 = 36.3% of Volgograd's total.
For Yekaterinburg, by analogy, it's Mee (5) + Asm (5) + for example, Katya (3) = 13 / 36.4 = 35.7% of Yekaterinburg's total.

If we compare percentages, it's better to calculate them based on the total scores:
Yekaterinburg: 13 points (5 times a player)
Volgograd: 18 points (3.5 times a player)
Total points: 49.5 + 36.4 = 85.9
Therefore, we get:
Yekaterinburg: 13/85.9 * 100 = 15.13% (5 times a player)
Volgograd: 18/85.9 * 100 = 20.95% (3.5 times a player)
And simply put, 18 > 13 by 5 points (that's 38%).
This is how we get a higher weight of votes with a smaller "player" coefficient.

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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Mee

If we compare percentages, then it's better to calculate based on the total scores:
Ekaterinburg: 13 points (5 times a player)
Volgograd: 18 points (3.5 times a player)
Total points: 49.5 + 36.4 = 85.9
Therefore:
Ekaterinburg: 13/85.9 * 100 = 15.13% (5 times a player)
Volgograd: 18/85.9 * 100 = 20.95% (3.5 times a player)
And simply put, 18 is greater than 13 by 5 points (that's 38%)
That's how we get that the weight of the votes is greater with a smaller "player" coefficient.

I haven't seen anything more absurd from Mee... Although, no, I have seen it once...:smile23:
I wonder if the little one understands that even if we completely remove the votes from DD and Oxy, Volgograd will still be in the lead?

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Alone

9 years ago

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Initially, Sochi and Yekaterinburg were competing, but it was necessary to involve Volgograd (and I have nothing against it), just to spoil the whole picture and create discord within the Heroes community. Competition is good, but the Heroes Community is very small, and many people know each other personally. Plus, professional bureaucrats got involved, and they always ruin everything. For example, they announced a tender in the evening of December 29th, and the winner was determined on December 30th, due to the lack of alternative proposals. The same thing happened with the points system – the bureaucrats claim that there was no alternative system, but when and with what quorum did they vote for the current one? The worst thing is that it used to be simpler; a simple majority was enough, and they respected the desire to organize something. As Mey-Vova wrote above, if there is a desire to organize, but the application was submitted late, don't interfere – reserve the next year. And now, they have already started arguing about who has contributed more to the Heroes Community. And will we also be assigning seats at the tables based on points? If I happen to come to Volgograd, I will give Merlin the Order of "Veteran of Heroes Gatherings"; he is going to retire anyway...

Vigo

9 years ago

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You're starting another argument again (( Ugh, you're already ruining the mood and my desire to go get information about the base. Otherwise, there will be more squabbles about points if we and Korolev also submit (

Kirill, add Korolev to the poll, so we don't have to open a new one since you're already working on it. Throughout the day, we'll see if enough people are interested in going to CIS-2017 in the Moscow region. So that we and the guys, and you too, pensioner)), understand if it's worth doing, spending time, and bothering people (we know how hectic the daily life is in the capital)

I posted the location where it's planned. The prices are also there, and on average, it costs about the same per person as always (these are basic prices, not including my discounts). It's also described and shown in detail. If people are interested, we will submit an application as required

www.noviegorki.ru

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Katherine

9 years ago

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It's amazing, considering that less than a month ago, the question was "will CIS 2017 even happen?" And how much the situation has changed :D
Perhaps there is still a reason to extend the voting, as many Heroes players didn't even vote because they don't want to sway the balance one way or another, as they are still unsure if they will be able to attend...
This would also give the cities that have applied a chance to provide a more detailed overview of the organizing team, details of the event, venues, etc.

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Freeman

9 years ago

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Guys! There's an issue. Today is February 6th, and if we want to organize everything properly, we're already running out of time. If we keep going around in circles, the final result will be zero. Kirill, as someone who, according to your assurances, will travel to any city, with the condition that travel and accommodation expenses are covered, voting for a specific city (whether it has any mathematical significance or not) is at least unethical. Regarding the applications themselves: the application for the city with a more comfortable average daily temperature at this time of year won, but the price will be approximately 40-50% higher. Personally, if 20-25 people come and we have to chip in for a conference room (17,500 per day) at 5,000-6,000 rubles each, plus whatever the internet costs per day, I'd rather play my games on my laptop in a cafe or in my room. 17,500 is too much!

Vigo

9 years ago

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Gray, don't worry, it's just Monday. The idea is that 40-50 people should arrive. Then everything will be fine with the price distribution in any city. Plus, don't forget that there are wholesale discounts.

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Freeman

9 years ago

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Vigo

Grey, don't worry, it's only Monday. Ideally, 40-50 people should arrive. Then everything will be fine with the price distribution in any city. Plus, don't forget that there are wholesale discounts.

Vitya, I'll be very glad if you're right, but communicating with people, I don't see that many people showing up. Alex wrote about the discounts, saying that the prices listed are the maximum he could achieve.
Okay, spring will show who is where....

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MerlinTheMagician

9 years ago

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freesha

From my perspective, Kirill, as a person who, according to your assurances, will travel to any city, with the condition that travel and accommodation expenses are paid, and will vote for a specific city (whether this has any mathematical significance or not), it is at least unethical.

If we are talking about ethics, then I, like any member of the community, have the right to my own opinion and the right to vote.
If we are talking about ethics, then the organizers and their assistants should not participate in the voting; that is, their votes should not be counted at all. Because they are, in a way, interested parties, and I can quite equate myself and my votes with the organizers. So, we remove Merlin and Alexey's votes for Volgograd. For Yekaterinburg, we remove the votes of the entire Yekaterinburg team in this case.
I repeat: Did you see the storyboard? Out of 22 people who voted for Yekaterinburg, 8 live in Yekaterinburg itself. Out of 20 for Volgograd, only 1 lives in Volgograd. Out of 22 who voted for Yekaterinburg, there are only 7 participants in the CIS Tournaments. Out of 20 who voted for Volgograd, there are 9 participants in the CIS Tournaments. They account for 18 tournament participations (for Yekaterinburg) and 25 tournament participations (for Volgograd), respectively.

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Vigo

Kirill, add a point to the poll for Korolev, so we don't have to open a new one since you've already started. We'll see during the day if enough people are interested in considering a trip to the CIS-2017 in the Moscow region.

Vitya, this poll is already closed. Create a new one.

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aka.Ward3n

9 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

I'll repeat. Did you see the breakdown? Out of 22 people who voted for Yekaterinburg, 8 live in Yekaterinburg itself. Out of 20 who voted for Volgograd, only 1 lives in Volgograd.

No, maybe I'm just stupid and don't understand something, but what's wrong with the fact that many people from that city will come to the CIS championship in the city, and it's convenient for them?