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19 years ago
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Armageddon, let's play a second round; it seems we're competing, although it's not mentioned anywhere. As always, my ICQ number is under my avatar. Write when you're available.
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19 years ago
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Kamikaze;96723
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The first round is from June 1st to 8th. The opponent writes on ICQ at 10, but appears on the forum only at 13!

I don't want to say anything, but the first round is from the 1st to the 10th.
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19 years ago
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The first round will begin on June 1, 2007, and end on June 8, 2007.
I read it in the Statistics thread, but it's not important. I waited for it for 9 days, and then I went to the sea until June 13th. The person appeared on the forum after the first round ended. I found his message in my ICQ when I returned. So, what's the point of your last post?????

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Armageddon, by the way, hasn't been on the forum since June 7th, so how am I supposed to play with him?
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19 years ago
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Despite my positive attitude towards Krash, Dudge is not involved here. So, what are the claims and replays about him? If he wanted to replay, then yes, but as it is... It's a very delicate issue, and the organizers will have to work hard on it...

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Dear organizers... Since my opponent is not available, I cannot yet name the hero and town I will be playing with... Here's what I'm basing my decision on: if there is a game, I need to choose a strong castle to try to continue participating in the championship... if there is no game, I really don't want to lose a strong castle.
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19 years ago
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No, despite my desire to leave the group, I still believe that a replay shouldn't happen in this case! The game was fair; Dudge was just lucky. I have no complaints. It's just additional experience for the organizers... I think this incident is over, and we can forget about it!
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19 years ago
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Dear organizers... Since my opponent is absent, I cannot yet name the hero and town I will be playing with...
Here's what I'm basing my decision on: if the game will take place, I need to choose a strong Castle to try and continue participating in the championship... if the game doesn't happen, I really don't want to lose a strong Castle.
Who said that towns are removed from the game???
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19 years ago
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RAPER;96614
creatures join if:
1) the enemy army has the same unit (even if there is only one) + the hero has a strong army.....
2) if he has diplomacy....
3) if the hero is leveled up, has a strong army + unit + lots of money--- it very often happens this way..... but if there is little money- they're unlikely to join...
4)..... if the neutral creature has the "Susceptible" checkbox marked......

there was a case in the first turn... I was playing as Dungeon.. attacked some genies.. they wanted to join, but due to my own stupidity and haste, I didn't recruit them...
according to your list:
1) no
2) no
3) no
4) no, someone else played on this same map and they didn't join him, but the armies and heroes were approximately equal...
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19 years ago
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If the game map is generated randomly, it randomly assigns a loyalty level to each unit. If the map was created by a designer, they manually set one of the five loyalty levels. I think the first and last points on the list are clear. The others (2-4) have a certain probability of joining, which is determined randomly, but nevertheless, there are rules that can increase your chances of getting this unit into your army, if that is even possible.

When the game starts for the first time, the probability of a unit joining is determined randomly. That is, a monster may be such that it will not join under any circumstances. And the skill level of "Diplomacy" or the strength of the army will not help. Although in the map editor, it may be defined as "Friendly (likely to join)". Therefore, we will only consider the situation where the monster is randomly or intentionally assigned a loyalty level of 2, 3, or 4, and there is a probability of the monster joining.

There are a number of observations that can increase the probability:
- To increase the probability of joining, the hero's troops must be "stronger" than the monster.
- It is desirable that the total number of all other troops in the stacks is strictly less than in this "native" stack. Moreover, it means the exact number, and not the "strength of the army".
- The probability of joining also depends on the criterion of the hero's internal strength, which is calculated in a tricky way (unknown). It is known that it definitely depends on the hit points of the hero's army, on the Attack / Defense of the hero (taking into account artifacts), and possibly on the distribution of hit points across the stacks (many hit points in one stack is better than a spread).
- Believing that morale helps with joining is a typical misconception - it does not help.

These are a couple of quotes from a "smart" book about the Heroes game
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19 years ago
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I had a case where on a map, there were a lot of liches. And they didn't want to join, even with a diplomat. And I was playing as Necropolis, and, as you can imagine, I really needed those guys. And as soon as I replaced the POWERFUL LICHES in my army with ORDINARY ones, that is, I approached them with their direct relatives, they immediately changed their minds. All in the same game day!!!
19 years ago
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castle for the next game
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19 years ago
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Kamikaze;96844
I had a case where, on a map, the capital was Lich, and there were many Liches. And they didn't want to join, even with a diplomat. And I was playing as Necropolis, and, as you can imagine, I really needed those guys. And as soon as I replaced my army's POWERFUL LICHES with ORDINARY ones, that is, I approached the guys with their direct relatives, they immediately changed their minds. All in the same game day!!!

I didn't quote a lot of smart words because there are many of them (and I'm too lazy to look for them in the tomes). But the fact that the presence of the same creatures affects the probability of joining (if upgraded creatures are on the map, you need to have upgraded ones, and vice versa) - this has also been repeatedly tested by me personally (this is also written in the research of other Heroes players, and even the increase in the probability of joining is expressed as a percentage). Therefore, I fully support what you wrote. But when replaying a scenario, each monster can be assigned a certain status, under which they will never join, no matter how much money and skills you have. After restarting the map, the status changes.
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19 years ago
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But I couldn't hold back and expressed my opinion after the tournament organizers canceled that match and told both players to replay. And why should they replay? What rules of the regulations did they violate that they are obligated to replay? Everything was fair, and the fact that the wyverns turned out to be "compliant" is not the fault of the participants, but of the map creator.

But didn't you see that I wrote exactly that?!

P.S. Yesterday I discussed this topic with CrasH, and he refused - that's his right. That's how it was resolved. But if a replay was needed, then Dudge should have played again, if he is a real Hero
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19 years ago
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P.S. Yesterday, I discussed this with CrasH, and he refused – it’s his right. That settled it. But if a rematch were needed, Dudge would have to play again, if he is a true Hero (no offense to Dudze), so that everything would be fair.

I can’t help but write about this issue (in a way, it also affected me directly. Crash ;-) ).
Dear organizers, you shouldn’t shift the blame onto the player and insist on phrases like “if he is a true Hero/man” and similar ones. He didn’t violate a SINGLE rule of the tournament; he provided the saves and explained the situation at the first request (without any complaints or shouting, which is very important). So why should he give up his victory because of YOUR mistakes???
I applaud Crash for admitting defeat and not asking for a rematch.

P.S. And finally, please write correctly; it’s impossible to read. If you lack proper writing skills, type the text in Word, check it, and then copy it to the forum. Such spelling and punctuation are not befitting organizers.
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19 years ago
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Dudge should play again, if he is a real Hero (no offense to Dudge), so that everything is fair.

What does "real Hero" have to do with it? Where in the rules does it prohibit joining neutral creatures? Where does it say that this is "unfair"? This kind of "playing the victim" really annoys me. How do you know that no one joined Dudge's opponent's side during the game? Maybe he specifically calculated all possible scenarios and the strength of his army and created his tactics so that they would join him? (of course, this is not the case, but what if Dudge calculated this option using quadratic equations and thus gained an advantage in troops?)
I think this turns into empty and meaningless arguments. If you lost, so what? The main thing is not to win, but to lose with dignity and show a good and interesting game to your opponent. I know that it seems unfair and very difficult to accept when you feel like you developed better and played better, but you lost due to such coincidences. I myself have had similar moments when I lost in a tournament to one opponent because I forgot to remove the shackles of war at an unfortunate moment. In any other case, I would have won almost certainly. It was hard for me, especially since this game was very important. But, nevertheless, life goes on, and you need to be more attentive.
After such incidents, all the blame falls on the organizers. But they didn't do it on purpose, but due to inexperience. In one tournament, I am the organizer and the map editor, and I have had to listen to many complaints about similar shortcomings in the creation of the map, because there is absolutely no experience.
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19 years ago
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Alright, alright... The organizer made a mistake... But there's no need to make a mountain out of a molehill now. The issue has been resolved, and thankfully everything has been clarified. We've all learned from this, and I don't think we need to revisit this topic again.

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