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HoM[M]ie

9 years ago

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People really don't care, but I suggest we do this: we attach a poll to the topic, something like "Should we make Vip responsible for the ranking or not?" I'll send personal messages to all active players on HW, inviting them to vote and discuss the retrospective aspect and the formula in more detail. This will be very formal; almost everyone will vote in favor, then we'll give Vip the scepter of the ranking master, and everything will be official, and everyone will be happy! Except Kill
Gentlemen, what do you think?

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Vip.rus

9 years ago

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What can I say, it's pure formalism and bureaucracy:smile04:
Actually, I don't care, I'll use my own rating based on the described principles for my tournaments.

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sir_moz

9 years ago

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in general, it doesn't really matter what rating system is used, but I would like to see a few aspects in it: 1) proportionality of points received specifically for participating in tournaments on Heroes of Might and Magic Online; 2) relevance of the rating (i.e., the "older" the tournament, the less influence it should have on the rating); 3) bonuses for high places.

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dwp1970

9 years ago

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In reality, the rating doesn't really matter.
But it's like a nice label; if it's well-designed and maintained, it attracts new people.
So why not keep it going?
To avoid struggling, you can start from scratch; there's no need to dig up the past at this stage. The main thing is to start working on it.

Therefore,
I support any initiatives, and
I am ready to provide any practical assistance to the person in charge of the rating,
within my capabilities, of course.

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Vip.rus

9 years ago

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Perhaps the question needs to be phrased differently.

Will anyone volunteer to calculate the rating for the past 4 years?

If no one does it in the near future, we'll start with a clean slate.
And if there are no objections to my formula, we'll use it, and I'll be the one calculating.

It seems that on this resource, it would be better to maintain a rating that takes into account all results, as I described, while on the league, we can use a system with a decreasing weight for each tournament. Both systems are good in principle.

Help is always welcome :)

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dwp1970

9 years ago

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Vip.rus

Will anyone be willing to calculate the rating for 4 years?!

I definitely won't be collecting the data for recalculation by topic.
But if there is data in the form of a file, I can recalculate it.
It won't be a big problem.

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KillAndAction

9 years ago

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dwp1970

I definitely won't be collecting data to recalculate it by topic.
But if there's data in some kind of file, I can recalculate it.
It's not a big problem.

What format do you need the information in?

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Vip.rus

9 years ago

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I looked at the official rating thread
It's funny that on HeroesWorld the rating is calculated once every 4 years :D

The official rating calculation scheme doesn't match reality, imho

So, before preparing the data, we need to decide on a scheme
I like mine, its important advantage is that every victory matters for the rating, which motivates players to finish tournaments

How can one even officially approve a new scheme here?

HoM[M]ie

9 years ago

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I also think that the old system is hopelessly outdated. It doesn't take much for an official approval – I'll just write about it to the Creator. Then, I think he'll just take a look at this thread, be happy, and bless you)). And then, VIP, it's up to you: you can create a new thread with a new rating, and we'll pin it as important; you can merge it with the existing one, and then in the post with your rating, you can make new edits; you can apply for moderation in this section in the appropriate thread, and then you can manage all rating-related matters as you wish.

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Vip.rus

9 years ago

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I also believe that the old system is hopelessly outdated. There's no need for a lengthy official approval process – I'll simply write about it to the Creator. Then, I think he'll just take a look at this thread, be pleased, and give you his blessing)) And after that, Vip, you can do whatever you want: you can create a new thread with a new ranking, and we'll pin it as important; you can merge it with the existing one, and then you can make new edits to the post with your ranking; or you can apply to become a moderator in this section in the appropriate thread, and then you can manage all the ranking matters as you wish.

Waiting for the blessing)

This thread is for discussion, so I'll create a new one where I'll outline the ranking calculation scheme and keep it updated.
Let Kirill moderate it (if he doesn't mind).

Then, after the official approval of the scheme, we'll decide what data is needed and in what format to calculate the old ranking.
Or maybe Kirill will reconsider and cool down about the old ranking, because there's no point in calculating it, as the new scheme will clearly rank everyone according to their current level of play in the next 2-3 tournaments

HoM[M]ie

9 years ago

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Wrote to the Creator in PM.
Gentlemen, generally speaking, was the previous rating approved at the highest level of the ХВ administration?.. I restored it without asking anyone :D

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Vip.rus

9 years ago

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HoM[M]ie

Wrote to the Creator in PM.
Gentlemen, but really, wasn't the previous rating approved at the highest level of HeroesWorld administration?.. I just restored it without asking anyone :D

It seems to me that later Kirill will demand that the rating be approved by the State Duma and personally by the President of Russia :D

HwKeeper

9 years ago

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I support this initiative; a rating system is a good idea, let's implement it.

I'm looking forward to it.

:smile16:

I've noticed that in Heroes of Might and Magic V, the report system is now similar to how we currently manage it for Heroes of Might and Magic III.

I think the right step would be to add a system for tournament threads to the forum for Heroes of Might and Magic V, and subsequently, the rating could be fully automated.

What do you think about this?

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HoM[M]ie

9 years ago

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Creator

I noticed that in Heroes of Might and Magic V, the report system is now similar to how we currently manage it for Heroes of Might and Magic III.

I think the right step would be to add a system for tournament threads to the forum for Heroes of Might and Magic V, and subsequently, the ranking could be fully automated.

What do you think about this?

I didn't understand anything about the tournament thread system, as I don't visit the Heroes of Might and Magic III section :D But I am definitely in favor of automating the ranking calculation!

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Vip.rus

9 years ago

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Creator

I support this initiative; a rating system is a good idea, let's implement it.

:smile16:

I've noticed that in Heroes 5, the report system is now similar to how we currently manage it for Heroes 3.

I think the right step would be to add a system for tournament threads on the forum for Heroes 5, and subsequently, the rating could be fully automated.

What do you think about this?

I'm also not familiar with the situation in Heroes 3, unfortunately!
But I don't think we have a particular need for automation, as the number of tournaments is quite small, unfortunately.
Overall, automation is certainly beneficial, and I'm in favor of it.

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