Posts from Mafia 103. Ice and Ash Auto-translated

If Lizard gets a town role, he'll identify the mafia on the first day as always, so we need to give them at least some chance.

But no one will listen to him anyway. :smile05:

Hooray, everyone's here! Let's lynch Tox.

Finally, I can quote this.
He identified the mafia before the roles were even assigned, but no one listened to him.

I had actually forgotten about that... :D

It’s funny that Yaschur eventually got that awesome role of Tox.
Congratulations to the team, even though the game was lost after a week, and the victory isn’t as exciting anymore. But let’s be honest, if we hadn’t taken such a long break, the outcome of the game could have been completely different.
Actually, in my opinion, the game was made easier for us because we figured out who Uran was on the second day. We even had a clever plan to switch Uran to our killer and get a double kill ourselves, but on the 5th night, Fragment decided to play it safe (we weren’t entirely sure that Uran would be cooperative, but he ended up being so). But there’s nothing wrong with the fact that we didn’t pull off the double kill.
Thanks to everyone for the game; it was a lot of fun and enjoyable.
A special thank you goes to my entire team; you are all wonderful people, and I really enjoyed chatting with you. I’m very glad that on the first day, we killed Yaschur, so that he could later become one of us. A big thank you to Ment for continuing to follow the game and provide us with moral and intellectual support, even after his quick elimination. Fragment is also smart; he cleverly pulled off the trick of getting Master out of the loop, securing his status as a good guy in the eyes of everyone. It’s a pity that Tox left us, but in return, he provided us with another good teammate, so honor and praise to him.
By the way, Uran, why did you double-vote for Vish?

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We actually considered the possibility of losing more often than we believed in our victory.

Yeah, that's true.
I'll say that considering all the redirects and the situation, where even on the last day of the game, knowing the statuses didn't provide any information (how many cold townies were left? the same number as the Mafia?), my role was as useless as my gameplay. In future settings (if that ever happens), it would be better to return to the old, good canons and increase the usefulness of the checkers to the point where they are guaranteed to know the Mafia and use their activity to push them towards elimination.
Regarding the game - Fragmentik did a great job, he didn't reveal himself until the end, as did Neyra, excellent performance! Yashchur came in as a substitute, and it was difficult to assess his game, and Mental was eliminated too early, but they both played well.
Among the townies, I'll highlight Uranus and Rimpel, as I said almost from the very beginning - although the first one was doing some crazy things throughout the game, and the second one didn't participate much at the end (he could have at least spoken out against his own execution, lol), they still tried to keep the town going as much as they could.
Thanks to everyone for the game!

I only have theories, not knowledge of the roles—judging by Tox's reaction, I knew it wasn't Yashchur, and my choice for Frityof was between you, Rimpel, and Vish. I ruled out Rimpel much later.
Basically, I suspected that Vish was more of a Frityof than Neyra based on the timing of the Dimension Door use. But ND cast it after the Shaman's execution, in a situation where he could no longer trust himself. On one hand, I needed a "check," and on the other, the situation had become critical enough to double the maf—in the end, I chose Vish to check, although I was more or less sure of him anyway, assuming that Shaman had played with him longer and figured it out better than I did.
It wasn't very hard to find me if you combine Nefela' same-role claim and Neyra's protection from hunger.
In general, it's completely obvious that playing with a daily deadline is inconvenient with such a time zone difference. Neyra writes something only when I can no longer change the situation after receiving this information, and I can't even quickly ask her about something to catch her in a contradiction. And yes, you guys promised me a Fragment quite a bit, which also settled it—Rimpel had a probable mismatch with Ment, while Fragment wasn't even close. Perhaps the pause is to blame for everyone forgetting about this. Again, I had almost no window to chat with him.
I didn't even have a window to kick Yashchur, because when many people don't believe you, it's hard to kick those who are defending.

Heroist—where did I trip up? In terms of the game, everything I said at first was correct; I found you as peaceful, and Master, and I even managed to find Revan closer to the end. The fail was in interpreting the ND results (by the way, Shaman indirectly got suspicions for this—for the throw on Tox, which was essentially correct, but not from my perspective).

It was great.
Uran, now I can comment on your confusion regarding the executions; see rule 5 ) NNW is also a vote. And obviously, if a player writes nothing, it's equivalent to them voting NNW.
Folks, it really was awesome. A bunch of active mafias (well, due to real-life stuff, Tox became very scarce at one point, but he said things weren't working out for him and asked for a replacement—he even tried to find a replacement himself; in any case, nothing terrible happened). In summary:
Tox — was quite useful in the first few days.
Fragment — yeah, we didn't really expect him to be such a convincing townie that he'd pull the Master out of the noose. In the end, as far as I can tell, it worked in our favor. He was active and played well...
Neyra — she blended into the game so well that I didn't even expect it. She did everything in her power, considering the time zones (and even stayed up until late at night, as far as I can tell, just to help us discuss ND and say something useful in the thread).
Yashchur — arrived at the right moment, figured things out, and started playing ) He pointed out some obvious things that we might have been missing before (yes, a fresh perspective is always useful); anyway, I enjoyed mafing with him too.
I'll speak separately about myself: for some reason, solving the clues just clicked for me. At first, I tried to make excuses; after long deliberation, I even wrote Uran a huge "traffic light," but then I weighed the pros and cons and decided that the chances of not hanging were slim, and I didn't want to give the townies food for thought. It's hard to judge how it played out in the end, but I want to believe that the fact that I didn't post my traffic light in the thread worked in our team's favor ) Be that as it may, we won.
I also want to mention Nephela... Yeah, I realized a bit too late that it came off as kind of awkward ) The move was good for many reasons, but if you were offended, then sorry, it was my idea... But overall, I want to quote Neyra:

and we tried to make an awesome game
rather than a boring slog
us:
managed to save the townie from the gallows who blended in perfectly, just to spend a kill on him the next night
playing with a guy who got whacked at the very beginning, but he still shows tons of enthusiasm and is a great conversationalist
killed Nephela on her birthday simply because
we provoked the main townie to use Dimension Door on the most dangerous townie for us

Regarding the fact that we didn't redirect the doubling... I actually didn't understand this point, Uran ) I mean, why did you even use doubling on the last night (not the final one) if you expected something like that? Did you realize that if we redirected it to our own killer, it would be almost a 100% defeat for the town? Because even if the main townie survived that, the healer is definitely gone, and another townie is definitely gone. The day after that night, one more mafia could still be executed, but then the main townie gets killed and there's a tie in votes... So I personally assumed you would use protection; moreover, if you saw in the newspaper that protection was used on the wrong target, you'd likely suspect an attempted doubling.
Regardless, this point also worked in our favor. Yes, we were winning anyway, but... We weren't sure if the doctor was Revan or Rimpel. Perhaps the second kill would have gone to him (Rimp). Then you would have revised your charts and you might have executed a mafia. Yes, we would have won eventually regardless, but the score would have been worse ;)
Mafias did great, victory is ours!

Precisely because they didn't expect me to have doubles, assuming they found me. I knew the town was in a bad state, so I took the risk, hoping to "reliably" clear Vish for myself, thereby confidently identifying all the Mafia (3 doubles and not a single double kill).
I'm not sure I would have re-evaluated the votes. Yes, I would have voted for Fragment, because he would definitely be Mafia, but I would still clear Naira and Yashur due to the lack of double kills, and I would vote for Heroist, despite his very peaceful play, because the remaining players suspect a simple scenario - that Vish shot me, and you just didn't understand my role.

Yeah, it was a multi-step plan... However, we reasoned similarly when we didn't redirect the Master on the third night. We figured he would probably skip his turn anyway, and we could try redirecting him on the following night. We just put Toxa in a cage, but oh well.

I need to dedicate a double day this weekend because with my current lifestyle, I've really lost track and couldn't access the forum. But overall, it was great; I remained the team's mascot, and they even won, hooray. Thanks to Nebu for the Mafia game.

Yes, and here’s another point. No one believed that the Mafia on HW had any chance of continuing its story, but Nebok made a decisive decision, started the game, and brought back those glorious, forgotten feelings. Huge thanks to him for that!

It wasn't a conscious decision. It was a spontaneous burst of madness.

Nice madness in the setting.

I liked Cold the most; it’s a shame they merged it.

And that's a victory, hooray! :smile44:

What can I say, the game was interesting. At one point, I managed to turn the town against Uranus, who was pushing his agenda with all his might. This allowed me to gain some ground and try to dictate my own line. In fact, I should thank Uranus for this; without him, it wouldn't have been possible. x) After the first two days, I realized that I would hardly be able to gain anyone's trust unless I found something that I could promote in the discussion and use to influence the town. But then it worked out well: Uranus presented too many arguments in his own way, and it was easy to pick on him. After all, being so confident on the second day is a mistake. By relying on this, it was possible to distort the motives of all of Uranus's subsequent actions and words if desired. It's good that Ment didn't fall for it and didn't do the same, despite the provocation.)

The town played well on its own, but it's still not the best situation when its game depends on a single core player who can, and most likely will, make mistakes. Uranus became that player, and we didn't kill him specifically so that we could use his shortcomings in the daytime game and question his arguments while there was still a chance to portray him as a Mafia player confusing the town. Knowing his role also helped in their distribution and in the nighttime game. The fact that Rimpel was not very active in the last few days also helped, because he could have easily thwarted our plans, but in the end, he was not believed when he tried to reveal his role as a checker on the penultimate day.

As for the Mafia team, it turned out to be simply excellent! It was always interesting to discuss the game situation and our actions with Ment. It was difficult to catch Neyra in the chat due to the time difference; sometimes Neyra would appear, and I would already be sleepy and incoherent. Nevertheless, this did not prevent her from actively participating in the discussions, and in the daytime game, she managed to remain the most peaceful of all of us until the very end: smile20: Toxa was there, but he didn't have much time, but he managed to be remembered for his suggestion to kill Yaschur on the first night because he said something about him before the game. Yaschur, on the other hand, turned out to be extremely useful; without him, we would have inevitably made a mistake by killing Revan. Ment and I were so out of it that evening that we came up with the idea of killing him with Madness, until Yaschur appeared and put us in our place, reminding us that if Revan is a healer, we won't kill him with Madness.

In general, to summarize, I'll say that everything was great, and I enjoyed the game. Respect to my team, and also to Neb, who entered the game literally out of nowhere when no one was hoping for the appearance of a new Mafia player. I would like to believe that this is the first step towards the revival of Hv-Mafia and its glorious future.)

Thank you all for the game!

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finally I can quote this )
figured out the Mafia before the roles were dealt, but no one listened :(

Yes, we also had a good laugh about this in the chat when Yaschur showed up. He also figured out the Mafia before the roles were dealt in the previous game (me).
Just be careful, or Yaschur will get conceited and always start revealing the Mafia before the game. x)

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Congrats to the Mafia, you played well, especially Fragment, who got me out of the loop.

Well, I didn't set out to get you out of the loop. x) I just wanted to portray myself as more peaceful by offering and arguing for an alternative to what was happening in the discussion, but I overdid it a little. But it turned out well anyway

That’s it? Game over? Let’s play something else now.