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After that, Uranium and Vishmaster cast votes against Shaman. Of those who voted for Uranium, at least three are peaceful players (and most likely all four), and there aren't enough votes for an execution. It would be easy for them to add votes for the mafia, but instead, one of them is strangely silent, and the other is likely just skipping the day (or actively participating in the discussion but not casting a vote directly). From this, only one very obvious conclusion can be drawn.
There aren't enough votes for the execution, it would be easy to throw accusations at the mafia, but instead, one of them is strangely silent, and the other is likely just skipping the day (or actively participating in the discussion, but not casting a vote directly).
By the way, there were two more silent players back then. Rimpel and Yaschur.
Any of the aforementioned three. At least until someone explains to me what happened at 3 AM and 3 PM...
Why didn't you execute them then? And what exactly do you mean by 3 AM and 3 PM?
Well, you could show where Uran wrote something suspicious in his posts.
Almost any of Uran's posts... I could make a large collection of his quotes, but that would take a long time, and I don't think it would convince you.
Of those who voted for Uranus, at least three players (and most likely all four) didn't have enough votes to carry out the execution. It would have been easy to add votes for the Mafia, but instead, one of them is strangely silent, and the other is likely just skipping the day (or actively participating in the discussion but not casting a direct vote). This leads to only one very obvious conclusion.
There is one Mafia vote (yours). Rimple was on hold and couldn't vote. That leaves Neyra. She may not have added her vote because of the "belts"...
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
What exactly do you mean by the 3 nights and 3 days?
Where is the block, why was the Master hanged, and why was he killed at night when they could have hanged him during the day.Fragment
Why didn't you execute him then?
Because logic is one thing, and drug addiction is another. What if I'm wrong about the Master? Or what if I'm right about the Master, but the Shaman was right about Uranus? Delaying the death of the Gorbloker until night, when he could be gotten rid of during the day, is idiotic, but "it's just Hv..." So, I'll listen to the others for now, and the three characters mentioned in particular.
Added 1 minute ago Heroist
Do you actually believe in this version?
Well, at least it corresponds to my calculations.
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
And the execution of Ment, initiated (if that's the case) by these individuals, bothers you less than the near-execution of the Master, which you constantly bring up as an example?..
Well, at least it aligns with my calculations.
Then they are completely wrong, sorry. If you're a genius, try to rework them and provide me with new calculated data; only then can we win.
Doesn't the execution of Ment, initiated (if that's the case) by these individuals, bother you less than the near-execution of the Master, which you constantly bring up as an example?..
In the previous Mafia game, Uran was hanged by three of his teammates, while only one of them needed to withdraw their vote. Moreover, one of the teammates voted first. So, I'm not surprised by anything anymore. However, it's worth thinking about this issue.
Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно. Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится. (Закон сохранения).
I hope everyone counted the NUMBER of votes for me and for the Shaman. Yes, the description is quite obvious there, minus Esben. Yes, I messed up. Shaman, it would have been better if he had chained me up. That way, I would at least have understood you somewhat. Then he would have quickly taken it off, I think. BUT! I would have paid for my mistake myself in the end. There are 4 votes against me. There are 3 votes against the Shaman. Why was he executed? Because Fritjof is more alive than anyone and used DD. Fritjof's DD is of a negatively oriented type. That is, it is only used against someone he suspects, and in particular, it can be used on chains. In other words, Fritjof suspected the Shaman strongly enough. That is, he can only be among those who voted for him or among those sitting in chains. And it definitely wasn't Revan, I think, because from his side, DD against the Shaman in that situation is the most illogical action.
Added 3 minutes ago There are no blockers in the newspaper, so it is safe to say that Vistrit is a gorblocker.
Added 5 minutes ago I don't quite understand why the murder was Hunger. Since there is one role that is immune to his murders, and there is a good chance that some other role will be protected by it. First explanation: unwillingness to reveal the murder as a clue. Second explanation: the doubled ND went to the mafia, and either it was spent on an extra turn of madness (which is doubtful), or on a second murder, which turned out to be unsuccessful due to hitting the cook.
The Inspectors should be in plural, meaning there are most likely two Inspectors alive in the town. Or there is one, but a doubled Inspector. The Cook is alive, because a starving Revenant cannot be him. And Fritjof is alive, because he executed the Shaman (I hope everyone understands why it wasn't Revenant). There are seven of us; the Mafia couldn't possibly eliminate someone at night. So, criticism is welcome. The fact that the town has five votes de facto doesn't change the fact that a tie today is just as much a defeat as hanging a peaceful player – because the Mafia isn't stupid enough to kill someone by starvation again, risking being protected, and there are simply no other actions that would influence their moves.
Added 1 minute ago Evil Lizard
But there's a "brother" there, not a "close friend"...:smile32:
I can't rely on a slowpoke who doesn't even send blocks. But yes, I remember that this option is possible. Well, then it will be more of a pleasant surprise than an unpleasant one.
Added 6 minutes ago In a situation where the Shaman is peaceful, I redraw the layout. The last vote with two peaceful players doesn't give specific information about where the Mafia is. Therefore, it's worth looking at the previous one.
Added 4 minutes ago Fragment
Long night... I've almost forgotten what I was going to do if I survive. Oh yes, execute Uranus.
:/
Uranus, I suggest you execute Rimpel now. Nothing prevents you from doing that, right? In general, if Uranus refuses to vote for him, I advise you to execute yourself.
I'm ready to support the execution of Rimpel if the votes go that way.
Yes, I'm considering this possibility. Tell me, who is the most peaceful among Lizard, Rimpel, Me, Vish, and Neyra. Given the fact that Fritjof's DD was used on the Shaman, and the one who framed me couldn't possibly have acted so illogically.
Added 11 minutes ago Heroist
By the way,
Uranus and Vishmaster later added votes to the Shaman. Among those who voted for Uranus, at least three are peaceful (and most likely all four), there aren't enough votes for an execution, it would be easy to add Mafia votes, but instead, one strangely remains silent, and the second most likely simply skips the day (or actively participates in the discussion but doesn't cast a vote directly). From this, only one very obvious conclusion can be drawn.
Why add more votes? 9 players, 2 in chains, totaling 7. 4 votes are enough for an execution (I remember asking Nebka if the fact that some players are deprived of votes due to chains is taken into account for the vote limit), if we ignore the fact that Fritjof can hang someone else, thereby making the score 4-4. 2 peaceful players are known; they are dead. And who the other two are is a debatable question. Let's assume they are peaceful. What benefit would the Mafia gain from adding votes to me? And was the Mafia even able to add votes anywhere – in other words, why do you think there aren't two Mafia members, Rimpel and Lizard?
Added 4 minutes ago Tell me again, what peaceful roles could Rimpel be, given the block.
Why add more votes? 9 players, 2 in jail, that's 7. 4 votes are enough to lynch someone.
But in the message I quoted, it clearly stated five, I don't know anything about that. Or was this secret information only available to the "chosen ones"?
What benefit would the Mafia gain from voting for me? And did the Mafia even have the opportunity to vote anywhere - in other words, why do you think there aren't two Mafia members, Rimpel and Yaschur?
Initially, I was considering one, but even if there are two, there is still someone else for whom it doesn't make sense to create a balance in the votes between two townies. It's not that kind of situation, and they don't lose anything if they vote for you.
There is a so-called "Elephant Rule." It states that if an innocent is executed, there must be a mafia member among those who voted for the execution. It works almost always; cases where it doesn't work include when the mafia didn't vote at all or in some chaotic multi-clans situations. However, it seems that those who are being targeted are those who are undesirable to RiMpel, judging by this voting pattern. Also, there's a non-obvious RiMpel-Fragment pair. I think it's quite obvious, so there must be one innocent among them. And Fragment is exhibiting typical behavior of a town checker, I must admit. Let's look further. In this game, who has been targeted besides Ment (and even that was based on overly obvious evidence)? Me, Shaman, and RiMpel. The results of the checkers shouldn't be so bad that not even one mafia member is brought up for a vote. I know it's not me. Apparently, I'm ready to support RiMpel - if the checkers made bad checks or their results were constantly altered by madness, we won't win this game anyway. So, we need to assume that at least some of the checks were accurate and led to at least some negative votes for execution. Execute RiMpel
Added 2 minutes ago Heroist
But in the message I quoted, it clearly stated five, I don't know. Or did only the "chosen ones" possess this secret information?
Initially, I was considering one, but even if there are two, there is still someone else for whom it makes no sense to create a balance in votes between two innocents; it's not that kind of situation, and they don't lose anything if they add a vote to you.
You're thinking correctly. I also think that at least one mafia member definitely added a vote to me. And it's much more likely to be you than Fragment.
Added 43 seconds ago Heroist, and tell me, do you agree with my version of the living innocents in the game: Fritjof, the cook, and 2 checkers?
Added 4 minutes ago Heroist
But in the message I quoted, it clearly stated five, I don't know.
Sky, is the minimum number of votes required for an execution calculated based on the total number of players in the game, or only based on the number of players who actually have votes, i.e., excluding those who are silenced? In other words, the same question: "how many votes were needed for an execution yesterday, 4 or 5"?
I want to believe that it's Fragment of Worlds. But I'm not an expert either.
Fritjof, the cook, and 2 checkers?
It's quite possible that this is the case. At least, there are not many doubts about Fritjof and the two checkers, but the role of the last world and who it belongs to now is very important.
I want to believe that it's about the Fragment of Worlds. But I'm not an expert.
It's quite possible that it is. At least, there are not many doubts about Fritjof and the two checkers, but the role of the last world and who it belongs to now depends on a lot.
Let's put it simply. Do you see a doubling in the newspaper? Yes or no? Do you see the cook having protection against starvation? Yes or no? Now, combine your two "yes" answers into one picture.
Heroist
