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Hello everyone, hope you're all doing well.
Could you please provide some information about advanced classes?
What will happen if several skills have the same total level? And what will happen if one of them increases its weight?

To be more specific, I want to try creating an effective hero who travels and fights without an army, using stealth and nature. Currently, scouting has a weight of 15 (main skill, stealth and pathfinding - GM, no navigation). I started learning nature and became a Bard. I plan to also max it out to 15 (all skills, no summoning). Then, I'll also max out combat to 15 (no resistance) and fully develop tactics to 20. So, when nature + scouting reaches 15+15, and then I level up combat to 15, will the class change? Or will I remain a Bard until one of the skills reaches 16? And in any case, since tactics is planned to be more than 15, when it crosses that threshold, which skill will it combine with? Scouting because it's the starting skill, or the last skill leveled to 15 (in this case, combat)?

And in general, what do you think about this development path? How viable is it? And what should I take as the fifth skill? It seems that in any case, it will be magic, because besides magic, only nobility remains, which won't help in combat, and extra mana and mana regeneration won't hurt either. Initially, I wanted to take death for summoning demons, but then I realized that by leveling up tactics, I would lose the bonus to the number of demons I can summon, and without it, nature summoning is no better. Now I'm leaning towards order because it's simply more useful than the remaining options, but I want to know how they combine so that I can plan the development order and also make the class useful.

P.S.: I'll clarify that there is enough experience on this particular map for all of this.

I decided to create this topic because there is no topic for discussing the game.

But in version 3.51, the bonus is not very good. Lich does not have morale, is not affected by healing and mind spells, and is also not affected by poison, but he takes damage from Holy Word. And it's not clear how he then restores health in battle if healing doesn't affect him, or does he have a vampiric attack?:confused:

Even a not-so-successful installment is discussed thousands of times more than the seventh one. Does this mean that "Heroes 7" turned out to be even worse than "Heroes 4"?

Even a not-so-successful installment is discussed a thousand times more than the seventh one. Does this mean that "Heroes 7" turned out to be even worse than "Heroes 4"?

Don't confuse the state of a dead creature with a vampire's attack. They are different things. Just like zombies and liches, they cannot be restored.

Look, if you had a class based on magical skills, then by maxing out even 2 skills out of 3, you'll become an Archmage. Usually, classes related to combat are prioritized. To change the class, max out the 16th skill in other areas; it will change. I wouldn't recommend maxing out all skills to Grand with a weight of 20, as the hero will either be an Archmage or a combat-related class, although there seems to be some class priority in such a situation, but I haven't found any information about it anywhere. Mostly, it's either Archmage, General, or Field Marshal.
In your case, if you have a weight of 15 in Scouting and Nature, the class won't change until the weight in other skills reaches at least 15. Why did you choose a Bard? It's not a very good class; it can cast mass luck on the very first turn, and it will still be a Bard. Also, it's better to increase magic resistance; it's better to max out melee and ranged combat, as the hero is focused on summoning anyway. Is Scouting your main focus? Are you leveling up a Thief?
It's better to make a Conjurer (Nature + Order magic) or a Demonologist (Nature + Death magic) – since you're playing with summons.

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Healing, mind magic, and morale don't affect vampires, but Holy Word does. However, they are still vampires, so why shouldn't a Lich, who becomes undead, also be able to drain life?

I don't level up resistance because it's an extra five skills, and there's already a lot to learn. Plus, magic resistance isn't required in every battle and can be easily replaced with antimagic if needed.
Melee and ranged combat skills might not be necessary in themselves, but they are needed to level up combat, which significantly increases survivability, and this is relevant for a solo hero.

As for liches and vampires, you're saying something strange. You've already been told that undead and vampirism are not the same thing. A lich is simply undead, while a vampire is undead that possesses vampirism. It would be stupid to take that away from them; it contradicts the very logic of this unit.

...knowing that the development was overseen by the Jews from Ubisoft, for whom the Heroes series has long ceased to be a priority, and they didn't have the most diligent approach to its development...

I didn't specifically choose a Bard; the idea is to be able to fight effectively as a hero on my own. For this, I need Nature as a replacement for an army and a lot of experience to upgrade everything necessary. Stealth allows me to constantly accumulate experience, even if I can't kill these monsters yet, plus I steal mines, artifacts, chests with the same experience, and other objects that enhance the hero. For example, we're playing together, and right now, I'm 10 levels ahead, and without fighting, I have characteristics much higher than the second player with GM battles. I'm also equipped with powerful artifacts, like a bow with +50 to attack or a tiger set that gives regeneration and constant dragon strength, which I wouldn't have achieved without stealth. In general, the class is currently intermediate and will still change later, so it adds something, and that's fine.
I don't upgrade resistance because it's five unnecessary skills, and there's still a lot to learn. Also, magic resistance isn't required in every battle and can be easily replaced with antimagic if needed.
Melee and ranged combat may not be necessary in themselves, but they are needed to upgrade combat, which greatly increases survivability, and this is relevant for a solo hero.
I don't take a Demonologist because I won't be able to support this class, as I don't need Necromancy, and due to the upgraded Tactics, the class will be combined with it. And without a bonus to summoning, a Demonologist isn't very useful.

As for Liches and Vampires, you're saying something strange. You've already been told that undead and vampirism are not the same thing. A Lich is simply undead, and a Vampire is undead possessing vampirism. Depriving it of this is stupid; it contradicts the very logic of this unit, just as it's stupid to give all undead vampirism. Should skeletons also be vampires just because they are undead?

Antimagic and resistance are slightly different things. Antimagic removes all previously applied blessings and consumed potions from you at once, and you won't be able to heal your wounds. In addition, if the enemy gets morale and casts magic first, it will be too late to use antimagic.
For skill leveling, melee and ranged combat are NOT needed. Neither is resistance.

Does stealth give experience? I don't remember that - did they add it in Equilibrium?
Well, I wouldn't say that only summoning magic is suitable for single-player mode - illusions are also good.
We're not talking about innate vampirism, but about Soul Drinker or the Vampire Touch spell - why shouldn't a Lich be healed by vampirism in these cases, when vampires are healed?

and yet, I didn't quite understand the difference
the fact that antimagic removes all blessings is clear, but if it is also used, then in battles with powerful spellcasting units or heroes, and on the first turn, i.e., when there are no blessings yet, then what will be the difference?
does it also remove the effects of potions or prevent them from being drunk in the future? or does resistance, unlike antimagic, allow friendly magic to pass through? in general, can you explain it in more detail?

no, it's the regular version, without mods, and for passing unnoticed through a cell adjacent to a monster, you get experience, depending on their level and quantity.