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#2442 10/28/2016 5:38 PM UTC

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Nargott

What value does dividing magic according to the "lore" of parts 6 and 7 bring to the gameplay of Heroes 5? There aren't that many spells to begin with, and it's impossible to do this without terrible workarounds.

And what value does dividing it into water, fire, air, and earth bring? - also a bunch of workarounds and shuffled magic, and at the same time, nothing is made more interesting than it was (for example, these same immunities, etc.) - the division into schools in Heroes 5 is quite specific - not by elemental affiliation (as in Heroes 3), and not by racial affiliation (as in Heroes 4), but by action - damage, summoning, buff, debuff, and if you're going to divide it into elements, then why were darkness, light, and primordial excluded (the latter can still be excluded by losing it in the other six schools, but that's just my opinion)

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I agree with the small number of casts; then, instead of 4 schools of 12, there will have to be 7 schools of 9.

... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
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#2443 10/28/2016 7:06 PM UTC

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"SRD"

and if we're going to divide them into elements, why were darkness, light, and primordial excluded (the latter can still be excluded by incorporating it into the other six schools, but that's just my opinion)

Because these aren't elements in the generally accepted sense. And not even in the sense of Heroes 5, where only 4 classic elements are mentioned (artifacts, perks).

Fire/earth/air/water is also a return to the traditions of Heroes 3. That is, it is more universal and suitable even for those who are not interested in parts 6 and 7.

"SRD"

I agree with the small number of casts, so we'll have to have not 4 schools of 12, but 7 of 9

You probably meant 7 of 6.

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#2444 10/28/2016 8:21 PM UTC

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Nargott

Looks like you meant 7 by 6.

Oh yeah, my bad :D I made a typo.

... И древний лес, роскошен и печален,
Блистает там воздушностью прогалин.
Но между кедров, полных тишиной,
Расщелина по склону ниспадала.
О, никогда под бледною луной
Так пышен не был тот уют лесной...

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#2445 10/29/2016 1:53 PM UTC

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SRD

I had another crazy idea about magic - according to the lore, we have 7 schools, but in the game, there are only 4, and it doesn't seem very good to just take water, earth, fire, and air, but we also have suppression. So, what if we, for example, do this: let chaos magic be fire magic (and put all the fire magic spells there), and chaos suppression becomes water magic, and we put water magic there (using a "level up the skill and get a spell as a bonus" system - similar to the "Rune Shield" skill). That is, opposite schools will exclude each other. In addition, enchantment can be renamed to primordial magic, and teleportation, raising the dead, summoning elementals, magic fist, etc., can be put there (and, accordingly, elemental balance and similar skills) - if the idea is interesting, then it makes sense to develop it further. There is a small issue with the academics - if, for example, it is logical for an elf not to have fire magic and to have water magic, then a mage should have access to everything (and darkness can also be taken away from them, but elemental magic is inherent to them).

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that is, such transformations (can also be done differently):
chaos = fire
chaos suppression = earth
summoning = air
summoning suppression = water
enchantment = primordial

considering orcs (they need air and earth), then like this:
chaos = fire
chaos suppression = earth
summoning = air
summoning suppression = water

no, I think this is not a very good idea, but it is possible to replace their air and earth suppression with earth and air magic (approximately as you said) because they have shamans who hit with lightning, and that would be quite logical.
I thought about the spells.
Is it possible to copy the "summon devil" spell, but so that it summons someone like in the seventh part, for example, summon a Golden Dragon (over time, elves will be replaced, but the dragon texture will remain, it can be used), and insert it as another spell?
I also thought, maybe it makes sense to give shamans an "stun strike," they do hit with lightning after all