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Actually, it was done with 99.9% accuracy, just like in Vik's post.
I would say the opposite is true. According to your own words, you only reviewed one game and focused on just one episode, and based on the description, it's not even clear if it's actually controversial.

I repeat - the idea of examining save files is a good one, but drawing conclusions in either direction based on the available information is a sign of bias, as there is simply too little information.
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Let me state right away that I have a negative attitude toward such accusations of cheating based on speculation.

For everyone discussing this — here is a recording of this game, which Gomunguls uploaded to YouTube.

I decided to watch it; I think the recording provides a clearer picture than saves.

I've watched some of Gomunguls' streams, and I agree that sometimes his actions seem questionable to me.
For example, the final of the Champions League tournament, where Gomunguls, playing as Swamp, spends 4 days with a plowman to go off-road around a blockade to get the gloves — when I watched that recording, that decision seemed questionable to me.
In another game from the same final, Gomunguls showed a textbook game as Castle, which fully demonstrates his playstyle — the playstyle he talked about in tutorial videos and on streams.

Overall, it looks like this: Week 1 — building up, leveling heroes, and scouting objects, forming strike stacks to capture them; Week 2 — collecting those objects, and not just with the main hero. And this is a perfectly reasonable and logical course of action in the game.

Now about the game: in my opinion, a rather unfavorable setup for Gomunguls — a loop-shaped visible road, a very difficult fight on day 111 with 49 ogres for the ring; I think Gomunguls played well thanks to Luna, a good starting stack of eyes, and considering the restarts spent.
His actions are quite reasonable — leveling Gunnar and Luna, subsequently taking the Griffin Conservatory thanks to that same Luna, which allowed him to snowball.
The adjacent zone with the center on snow — one road is cut off by a multiple block of inner treasure. I think many will agree that given a start with Gunnar, it's foolish to push into the center on week 2 with 8mm6a against Conflux in such a setup — thus, the adjacent zone with the corner treasure is scouted.
Given all this, taking the Griffin Conservatory with Gunnar in the underground adjacent zone with the corner treasure looks like a perfectly normal move (there were angels, and getting + more angels to form a single strike stack).
Lizard's plan to rush was executed poorly in my opinion:
1) It should be noted that Gomunguls' actions are made considering Lizard's actions.
2) Lizard wrote that he had View Air, scouted a portal to the Inferno zone of the computer (where Gomunguls had a town). With View Air, he could see the town was close, but the town remained uncaptured, and Crag Hack moved on. (Lizard wrote that at the start of week 3, Gomunguls had no towns left — but on day 132, Gomunguls still has Inferno under control; by that point, that infamous Dragon Utopia had already been taken).
3) Crag Hack's army isn't that scary: a couple (1-4) Firebirds — given it's Conflux, most likely 4 — and a couple (1-4) Angels — Gunnar has 7 angels at the same moment; Gomunguls is only behind due to lower stats.
4) Gunnar with 7 angels in the fog really did end up under threat in one day, but that would have led not to a one-sided wipe but to a trade, and given the possible fight, he could still continue with Luna at Spell Power 10.
5) Because Lizard doesn't capture Inferno, Gomunguls wins the "battle of leftovers" and prevents Lizard from building chains.
6) Lizard doesn't go straight for the opponent's main town — he gets distracted by taking the Arena + the Ring of +1 HP, which looks extremely illogical to me.
7) Naturally, Gomunguls runs his heroes away from the road so they don't get picked off, collects available goodies, finds a Griffin Conservatory on a spawn — next to which there's also a Well; Luna spends the night safely in a Sanctuary, near which there's a Break; she has 10 Spell Power, meaning she can take the Conservatory 1-2.
8) Gunnar levels up, defeats the Orb of +50% Earth damage, and during all this, the Dragon Utopia is found.
What I'm getting at: Gunnar fears Crag Hack only because Crag outstats him. It's perfectly logical that while Crag Hack is wasting time (spending 5 turns with all his power to take the opponent's main and running along a loop-shaped road back and forth), Gomunguls cuts Crag off from chains and looks for power-ups in the zone he still has access to.
He didn't intentionally head for the Dragon Utopia, and when he found it, he turned back, waited for reinforcements, and went to take it. I disagree with Lizard's opinion that only a mini Dragon Utopia is taken. I think a double Dragon Utopia is taken in that situation without issue: Gunnar has Expert Offense and Defense and 8 angels.
9) I disagree that only the Cape of Velocity and the Helm saved him — for example, the Bow of Elven Cherry (with the power-up), stat-boosting equipment (+4, +5, +6 All), or the Gladius could have easily given Gomunguls the advantage.

I haven't watched the second part of the stream yet, but in Lizard's post, only Gomunguls' actions up to day 132 are contested.

Based on everything stated above and the recording I watched, I consider Lizard's claim to be unfounded and unsubstantiated.

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Ah, moderators, those were great posts, heartfelt songs, you're depriving the community of the opportunity to enjoy them :D
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If I had checked half an hour ago, I would have seen smoke, or even a flame. Oh well, maybe give me some kind of read-only admin access.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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I was one of the four people discussing the Gomukula game. I didn't say that there was 100% cheating involved; I simply acknowledged the possibility of coincidences. I stated that this is a player you shouldn't play against for money. I told this to several people. The dilemma is this: either he's an average player (by the standards of the community that plays for money) and exceptionally lucky, or he's a very good player using additional game resources and map knowledge during his HotA+U matches. I shared my arguments with those who were interested in hearing them, and I believe I achieved my goal.
I am not interested in this player's fate or position on the HW ladder, and yes, I have seen and discussed a sufficient number of game episodes. Yes, I understand that the decisions of the AC are made based on circumstances. Yes, I understand that analyzing such games requires extensive experience with HotA+U patterns and playing against strong opponents. Otherwise, many moments will be unclear due to a lack of practice and skill. Nevertheless, the appearance of this topic on the HW forum surprised me. Therefore, I would suggest that all people who plan to play for money at some point try to discuss the attached save (6lm10a castle-conflux) in private. I will not participate in the forum discussion. And I want you to play with it for at least the first week (you have very little chance of replicating the game with the Castle faction), and even less chance if we're talking about the second week. The rest of the saves will remain with me for now, because I don't particularly want to listen to someone explaining a game based on already known saves, and I also want to spend as little time as possible on all of this.

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Save passwords: Conflux - 6574, Castle - +777, and play as Humans
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Unban Oelm already, how long must we wait?
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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pasta from Oelma aka Indra

Save passwords: Conflux - 6574, Castle - +777, and play as humans


I won't jump into the discussion either)))))) just leaving these links here and wishing everyone a pleasant viewing))

1st part - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o9FuU1CpPQ
2nd part - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7wuRPnqHeI

P.S. in most games, the host is never me (especially in games with Hell) and I only create when asked. Also, I take restarts very quickly))) and the question arises, how much time is needed on the first turn to properly study the map, if you reveal it and want to know the layout?

P.P.S Actually, it's funny))) I'm being suspected of cheating by a guy who is banned for it))))))))))

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I'll say right away that I have a negative attitude towards such cheating accusations based on speculation.

For everyone discussing - here is a recording of this game, which Homungulus uploaded to YouTube.

I decided to watch it, I think the recording gives a more comprehensive picture than saves.

I watched some of Homungulus's streams, I agree that sometimes his actions seem ambiguous to me.
For example, the final of the Champions League tournament, where Homungulus, playing as Fortress, spends 4 days with a digger to go around a block off-road to pick up gloves. When I watched that recording, that decision seemed ambiguous to me.
In another game of the same final, Homungulus showed a textbook game as Castle, which fully demonstrates his playstyle — the style he talked about in his tutorial videos and on streams.

Overall it looks like this: week 1 - building, leveling heroes, and scouting objects, forming strike stacks to take them; week 2 - collecting those objects, and not only with the main hero. And this is a perfectly adequate and logical course of action in the game.

Now about the game: in my opinion, a not very favorable setup for Homungulus, a loop-shaped road, a very difficult fight on day 111 with 49 ogres for the ring. I think Homungulus played well because of Luna, a good starting stack of Eyes, and considering the restarts used.
His actions are quite adequate, leveling Gunnar and Luna, subsequently taking the Griffin Conservatory thanks to that same Luna, which allowed him to get rolling.
The adjacent zone with the center on snow, one road cut off by a multiple block of the inner treasure zone. I think many will agree that given a start with Gunnar, it's foolish to rush to the center on the second week on 8mm6a against Conflux with that layout, so the adjacent zone with the corner treasure zone is scouted.
Considering all this, taking the Griffin Conservatory with Gunnar in the underground adjacent zone with the corner treasure zone looks like a perfectly normal move (there were angels, and getting + more angels to form the only strike stack).
Lizard's plan to rush was, in my opinion, poorly executed:
1) It should be considered that Homungulus's actions take Lizard's actions into account.
2) Lizard wrote that he had View Air, scouted the portal into the Inferno AI zone (where Homungulus had a town). With View Air, he could have seen the town was close, but the town remained untaken, and Crag Hack moved on. (Lizard wrote that at the start of week 3, Homungulus had no towns left — but on day 132, Homungulus still has Inferno under control; by that point, that infamous Dragon Utopia had already been taken).
3) Crag Hack's army isn't that scary: a couple (1-4) Firebirds, considering it's Conflux, probably 4, and a couple (1-4) Angels — Gunnar at the same time has 7 Angels. Homungulus is only on the losing end due to lower stats.
4) Gunnar with 7 Angels in the fog was indeed left vulnerable for one day, but that would have led not to a one-sided stomp but to a trade, and considering the potential fight, he could still have continued with Luna at 10 SP
5) Because Lizard doesn't take Inferno, Homungulus wins the scout hero battle and prevents Lizard from building chains.
6) Lizard doesn't go straight to the opponent's town, gets distracted by taking the Arena + the ring for +1 HP, which in my opinion looks extremely illogical.
7) Naturally, Homungulus runs his heroes off the road to avoid them getting picked off, collects available goodies, finds a Griffin Conservatory on a respawn — near which there is also a Well, Luna spends the night safely in a Sanctuary, near which there is a resource pile. She has 10 SP, meaning she can take the Griffin Conservatory 1-2.
8) Gunnar levels up, picks up an Orb giving +50% Earth damage, and during all this, the Dragon Utopia is found.
My point: Gunnar fears Crag Hack only because Crag outstats him. It's perfectly logical that while Crag Hack is busy with nonsense (spending 5 turns with all his power to take the opponent's town and running back and forth along a loop-shaped road), Homungulus cuts Crag off from chains and seeks upgrades in the zone he still has access to.
He didn't intentionally go for the Dragon Utopia, and when he found it, he turned back, waited for reinforcements, and went to take it. I disagree with Lizard's opinion that only a mini Dragon Utopia is taken. I think a double Dragon Utopia is taken in that situation without issue: Gunnar has Expert Offense and Defense and has 8 Angels.
9) I disagree that only КВ and the Helm saved him; for example, КЗ (considering the booster), stat items (+4,5,6 all), or Gladius could easily have given Homungulus the advantage.

I haven't watched the second part of the stream yet, but in Lizard's post, only Homungulus's actions up to day 132 are disputed.

Based on everything stated and the recording I watched, I consider Lizard's statement to be unsubstantiated and unfounded.


Nicely written, well done!
I'll add a couple of words myself... Overall, you wrote everything correctly, but for some reason I wasn't afraid of Crag Hack)) and wanted to hit him twice, but I was short by 100 MP each time)
1st time, when he was standing near the green portal, I specifically went back and forth with a scout hero so he would think I was transferring stuff with the scout, then remove the scout and put Gunnar there and back... but I couldn't reach him and went to level up... the second time I wanted to reach him the next turn and again was 100 MP short and ran into the treasure zone to level up...
But otherwise, yes, it's written exactly as it happened in the game. There was nowhere to run except that underground adjacent zone... there was no money... everything relied on Luna... upgrading Eyes for first speed and go... the Griffin Conservatories dropped, then easily Dragon Utopia...
The main goal was not to let Crag Hack combine his army with the growth + prepare as much as possible for the fight with Crag... But alas, it didn't work out and he combined the army... had to run back, refill mana, and back into that treasure zone... well, and then everything is clear...
I think it was a completely simple game... strange that there were any questions...

I had questions though: why run to retake the town with Crag Hack?? is that a far-sighted strategic plan??? or maybe skill?)))))
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Pasta. From Indra. About catching cheaters.

Yeah, that's exactly the expression you should have when imagining this whole situation and especially the team for catching cheaters... I play the role of the main villain... who is being caught – Lizard, Oelm, definitely Redwait... then comes
At the moment, there are already four very strong and respected...
:D :D :D it’s even scary to imagine the rest of the team… could it be Disqualified:D … just like in a joke - do you think I'm crazy?? - you haven't seen my lawyers yet…. :D
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Less logic and reasoning. Everything is as always.
There are still no arguments because you still haven't answered why Craig, with his entire army, ran to capture an empty town with troglodytes without any logical reason.
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1. During the air scouting, 3 heroes were glowing not far from the capital. I decided that there was an additional recruitment of banks at the native respawn, and the capital would end up being defended. When there was only 1 move left to the Castle, it would have been strange to turn back.
2. There was no ground scouting, and I had no idea that there would be such a terrible road loop leading to the Castle (after all, the air scouting showed that the Castle was very close).
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1. While scouting the area near our capital, I saw three heroes. I figured they were gathering resources on our respawn point, and that the capital would be defended in the end. With only one turn left before reaching the Castle, it would have been strange to change course.

Are they really farming for resources at level 125 on our respawn point?:eek: :eek:
P.S. Glad it wasn't a Necropolis...)))



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So, someone was missing some logic here?
Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49VMDZvOBQc
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