Mafia 102. Veliria — Mafia

softbank

10 years ago

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Evil Lizard

I'm saying that clues don't provide the same guarantee as facts. And you had the "pleasure" of seeing that. And yes, the Mafia doesn't have a "priority" at the beginning of the game when the town is still relatively large. It's only when the number of Mafia and town members is roughly equal that they do. However, it seems pointless to try to prove anything... After all, I'm a maniac, and "you can't trust a maniac"...

If the Mafia doesn't have a priority, why did they win so decisively? Uranium doesn't count. The Mafia had to put in a lot of effort to get him lynched.
Cultist is strong when recruiting, but they're hard to find. Joconda was and remains alone in the town.
And the fact that you can't trust Manu is just your own personal bias, Mr. Lizard.
The clues weren't definitive, but the solution was good, it just didn't work out.

Uranium235

10 years ago

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Calm down, gentlemen. It's hard for the town to play when there are mistakes. If the Heroist hadn't been killed at night, they could have easily been lynched during the day because the evidence looked quite convincing, if not better than real evidence. In reality, when a player only needs more than 50% + 1 vote, instead of simply the maximum number of votes, it's much easier for the town. It's easier for the town because it's extremely difficult to gather all the votes from the town members into one target.

KindShaman

10 years ago

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when a popular candidate only needs the most votes, not 50%+1, it's much easier for the city.

I agree with that.

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Злобный Ящур

10 years ago

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softbank

if the mafia has no priority—well, how did they win so convincingly? Uranium doesn't count. The mafia had to put in a ton of effort to hang him.

Um... How should I... explain this. The mafia won because the town didn't play.;) + the newspapers are brutal.
Take a look at the voting for Uran. Who followed my advice? The Cop and Dag! Oh, and Kosha too, but she didn't care about the game; she even asked for a replacement. Shaman, why didn't you replace me? There were grounds for it; I had no info on the role.
And what did the others do? Rudy? Gur? (ah right, as usual he didn't even show up for 48 hours) ~~Jaconda? Arandor?~~

softbank

The Cult is strong during recruitments, but you have to actually find them first. Jaconda was and remained in town loneliness.

And what if they had found them?

softbank

As for the idea that Manu can't be trusted—those are your own delusions, Mr. Yashchur ))

You're wrong here. Those aren't my delusions...:p

softbank

The evidence isn't clear-cut, but the solution was good; it just didn't work out.

As long as the town keeps outing/hanging "at random" when there is 100% negative info—they will keep screwing up. And then blame everything on "the coin didn't land right"...

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Uranium235

Actually, when a hanging requires not 50%+1, but simply the maximum number of votes, it's much easier for the town. Specifically for the town, because gathering all the peaceful votes on one target is extremely difficult.

Yeah right, and hanging based on three votes out of 15...

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If they had hung Heroist, it would have been MUCH easier for the town, yeah...

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Uranium235

It's hard for the town to play without mistakes.

Mistakes are mistakes, but... anyway, whatever. I don't need points right now.

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Heroist

10 years ago

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I haven't read the discussions or the list of roles, but I assume that Yashur probably didn't win again because of a poorly chosen town, even though he figured out all the roles, nighttime actions, and clues on the first day. Am I right?

Whatever

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softbank

10 years ago

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Evil Lizard

What if they had found it?

History doesn't allow for hypothetical situations (c).
It was in plain sight anyway. Plus, I was interested in the mafia, the danger of which was clearly underestimated by the city.
Unfortunately, even the fact that it became clear about Eziton and Niko was too late. And Eziton wasn't even punished, even though there was evidence – albeit dubious – they just brushed it off, saying it wasn't a big deal, and that it was actually a good thing that it happened later...

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No, Lizard, I agree with you that the city is too much like the Titanic.

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10 years ago

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Heroist

I didn't read the discussions or the list of roles, but I guess that Yashchur probably lost again because of a stupid town setup, even though he figured out all the roles, night actions, and clues on the first day. Am I right?

Of course, Heroist. I identified Fragment before the roles were even assigned. I even suggested hanging him , but no one listened to me once again.:(
And not only did I identify Alex, but I also sent a telepathic signal to the mafia players so they could help finish him off under mutually beneficial conditions. Oh yeah, I also wanted to follow Uran's example and confess that I am Miki's clone (or rather, Miki is my clone), but damn it, April 1st has already passed.:(

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softbank

History doesn't allow for conditional statements (c)
She was visible anyway. Plus, I was concerned about the Mafia, whose danger was clearly underestimated by the town.

Look. On the first day, the whole town is intact. You have an alchemist/cat/cultist in front of you. There are only 5 mafia members in total. Killing the cat practically has no effect on anything. Go ahead and shoot. Otherwise, there will be -2 deaths overnight, and if I hadn't been blocked, it would have been even -3. Is that better? And what if the recruitment had gone through?

softbank

Unfortunately, even the fact that it became clear regarding Eciton and Niko was too late. And no one hung Eciton, even with the clue – albeit a false one :D They just brushed it off, saying it wasn't scary, but rather good that it happened later...

If I had survived or at least come out instead of Koshi, I would have insisted on hanging Eciton. I even wanted to kill him. The question is, would they have listened to me...? What the hell is Jaconda? I even put Ment back on the list of mafia players after initially crossing him off...:(

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