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Dear Appeals Committee,

I would like to address you regarding the result of the game with player Noom in the "Satellite #1 to CIS in St. Petersburg" tournament.

The save was opened and reviewed by me personally only 2 days after the announcement of the result for the following reasons:

1. I have always trusted Cobra and Dirty, and considering that I came home extremely tired from 2 jobs and a workout on Monday, I thought that if they said it was a draw, then it must be close to a draw.

2. When submitting the save for adjudication, I was 100% sure that I would be awarded the win, not just 99%. Continuing to strain myself, trying to accommodate the opponent's schedule – frankly, this exhausted me.

I am appealing to the Appeals Committee primarily because of Cobra's unexpected post, who believes that I (quote) "am spreading nonsense and trying to disrupt the tournament."

I want to win this tournament, not disrupt it, if anything.

I did not spread any nonsense. Regarding the quick summoning of 200 demons and an elixir by my opponent – that is what truly constitutes nonsense.

Regarding the game situation – my win is clear-cut. And that is precisely why I do not want to go to the CIS itself, as its organizer and judge, one of the best people in the Heroes world in my opinion, Cobra, apparently dislikes me very much.

Detailed discussion of the incident: /topic/11733/

Saves from 131 to 142 are attached.

My password (red player): 3001
Noom's password (blue player): 123


Thank you for your attention; I hope for a victory of truth, even posthumously, when it will be too late to play the next rounds. I have never disrupted or will disrupt the deadlines of the tournament. When there is genuinely no opportunity to play (participate, judge, etc.), I immediately withdraw beforehand and inform all necessary parties.
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Dear Appeals Committee.

The save files and passwords are located there.
I will not personally review this application until all save files and passwords are submitted.
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2. When submitting the save for judging, I was 99%, no, 100% sure that I would win. Constantly adjusting and trying to find a time that's convenient for my opponent to play – frankly, it exhausted me.


Adjusting to a time of 18:00 every day exhausted you? But playing for 3 hours a day and then not even getting a save from you on weekends exhausted me.
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Has constantly adjusting to the 6 PM deadline every day exhausted you? Playing for 3 hours a day, and then saving the game for you, even on weekends, has exhausted me.

Since we're having this conversation, believe me, I have enough experience in forum arguments. In short, thank you, Sasha, that I didn't demand that you play at 5:15 PM last Saturday, when you were sleeping, at the previously agreed-upon and repeatedly confirmed time that was convenient for both of us. And if the result of the game is important to you (as it is to me), then you really should have sacrificed a few hours of work at least once (as I did twice - and it's unclear why in the end). And don't start talking about how "my job isn't like yours, it's impossible for me."

p.s. I've added the save files and passwords to the previous post.
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...it would have been worth sacrificing a few hours of work. And there's no need to start talking about how "my job isn't like yours, it's impossible for me."
It's not nice to behave like that. Different situations happen. Demanding a victory just because someone couldn't make it on time a couple of times is, at the very least, unsportsmanlike.
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It's not nice to behave like that. There are different situations. Demanding a victory just because someone didn't manage to finish within the time limit a couple of times is, at the very least, unsportsmanlike.

I agree, I'm behaving very badly. That's just how I am – I want to win at any cost. But I'm not demanding it because of the time, but based on the objective factors of the players' positions at the moment the save was submitted for judging.
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Kostya, I'm upset.
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Dear Appeals Committee,

I would like to address you regarding the result of the game with player Noom in the "Satellite #1 to CIS in St. Petersburg" tournament.

The save was opened and reviewed by me personally only 2 days after the announcement of the result for the following reasons:

1. I have always trusted the highly respected Cobra and Dirty, and considering that I came home extremely tired from 2 jobs and a workout on Monday, I thought that if they said it was a draw, then it really was close to a draw.

2. When submitting the save for adjudication, I was not 99%, but 100% sure that I would be awarded the win. Continuing to strain myself, adjusting to a time convenient for my opponent – frankly, this exhausted me.

I am appealing to the Appeals Committee primarily because of Cobra's very unexpected post, who believes that I (quote) "am making up nonsense and trying to disrupt the tournament."

I want to win this tournament, not disrupt it, just so you know.

I did not make up any nonsense. Regarding the quick summoning of 200 demons and an elixir by my opponent - this is what truly constitutes nonsense.

Regarding the game situation - my win is clear. And that is why I do not want to go to the CIS itself, because its organizer and judge, one of the best people in the Heroes world in my opinion, Cobra, apparently doesn't like me for some reason.

Detailed discussion of the incident: /topic/11733/

Saves from 131 to 142 are attached.

My password (red player): 3001
Noom's password (blue player): 123


Thank you for your attention, I hope for a victory of truth, even if posthumously, when it will be too late to play the next rounds. I have never disrupted or will disrupt the deadlines of the tournament. When there is really no opportunity to play (participate, judge, etc.), I immediately withdraw in advance and inform all necessary parties.

What did the judges decide? The tournament has deadlines after all. Who am I supposed to play with, and who will the other guys play with?!
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What did the judges decide? The tournament has deadlines, after all. Who will the guys and I play against in the end?!
Don't read, just write.
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What did the judges decide? Tournaments have deadlines, after all. Who will the guys and I play against in the end?!
Why are you getting angry?
1-/topic/at/885020/
2-/topic/at/884992/
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That would have been much easier! ^_^
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Kobra comes 2 hours after ODD and behaves as if nothing had happened. When I say I have no time then because I started doing other activities he sees it as a refusal to play. For 4 months I have been writing to Kobra to finish the game and there was always a reason not to play. 22.03 we agreed to finish the game yesterday 16 MSK but Kobra hasn't come on time. I waited 1 hour even but he didn't come so I started doing something different.

http://puu.sh/nZdBA/5f7f365325.png
http://puu.sh/nZdDq/9615cd857d.png

For me the situation was absolutely clear, we were appointed to playing 29.03 and there was no information from Kobra that he couldn't come on time. He didn't answer my insistive questions but I don't care why, no information about not coming on time = coming on time, that is simple. It's not that he was offline when I was asking him to confirm the dates, he was having fun on streams and was just ignoring my questions not giving a fuck.
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Where is the referee/hots decision?
We asked early:
Dirty_PlayerP.S.: Further direct appeals to the AC, bypassing the referees, will not be considered.
please, waiting for Pit's decision.
Jelen117
Kobra comes 2 hours after ODD and behaves as if nothing had happened. When I say I have no time then because I started doing other activities he sees it as a refusal to play. For 4 months I have been writing to Kobra to finish the game and there was always a reason not to play. On 22.03 we agreed to finish the game yesterday at 16 MSK but Kobra hasn't come on time. I waited 1 hour even but he didn't come so I started doing something different.
why you write only now? If you had some problems, you could write to Pit and ask him about ODD.
Jelen117
http://puu.sh/nZdBA/5f7f365325.png
http://puu.sh/nZdDq/9615cd857d.png

For me the situation was absolutely clear, we were appointed to playing on 29.03 and there was no information from Kobra that he couldn't come on time. He didn't answer my insistive questions but I don't care why, no information about not coming on time = coming on time, that is simple. It's not that he was offline when I was asking him to confirm the dates, he was having fun on streams and was just ignoring my questions not giving a fuck.
what about screens, I didn't see total agreement to ODD. I see KobRa not sure about his time.
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Where is referee/hots decision?
We askd early:

please, waitnig for Pit's decision.
I wrote to Pit but he doesn't answer and I was advised to write here.
Dirty_Player

what about screns, i didn't see total agreement to ODD. i see KobRa not sure about his time.

I see Kobra mentioning that 29.03 is the last day for games in group stage but he admits that he has time to play that day. Then he ignores all my messages of getting sure about the situation.

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