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19 years ago
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As with most of the voters, they are vampires.
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19 years ago
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Pandora;89118
For me, he's not that great. Not bad, but I often choose poisonous creatures!
Poisonous creatures are also quite strong. They are good against infantry. (Even poisonous creatures will be more useful against crusaders than vampires).
19 years ago
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They completely ruined the fun...
But at least it's really helpful (especially for stopping archers before anyone can reach them/fly to them/crawl to them).
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19 years ago
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Mounted Paladin; 89125
They completely ruined the fun...
But at least it's really helpful (especially for stopping archers before anyone can reach them/fly to them/crawl to them).
You'll be able to cast Terror on the archers when they are in your line of sight. It's unlikely that the enemy will place archers in the first row.
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19 years ago
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Poisonous creatures are also quite powerful. They are good against infantry. (Even poisonous creatures will be more useful against crusaders than vampires).

Yes, they are better against all types of infantry! The first level unit will be quickly defeated, the second won't last long either, and the third might even reach the enemy.
They completely ruined the fun...
But it's so helpful (especially for stopping archers before anyone can reach them/fly to them/crawl to them).

But the Death Knight has a higher unit limit (it seems he has more mana). That's really something.
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19 years ago
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Pandora;89128



But the Death Knight has a higher limit (it seems he has more mana). That's rough.

But there isn't a Death Knight in this poll:)
(although, death is generally unnatural for me, so forget about this knight)

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19 years ago
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Pandora;89094
What's so great about the Vampire? Is it because it can restore health, or because it can dominate using necromancy?
Simply because it has proven itself more often! ...otherwise, there's no other way to compare them! IMO, "balance" and "luck" in the game mean much more than the difference between a Vampire and another level 3 unit!:smile25:
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19 years ago
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OptiMAL;89102
Ah... unfortunately, I don't have that available right now. Play a game with 5 Crusaders against 3 Vampires. Just have them engage in close combat. You'll see how your favorite Vampires fall.
Optimal - don't forget that Vampires also raise undead through Necromancy - with Haven, the Crusaders only resurrect after the battle due to the Life skill. And Haven doesn't have the extra growth like Necromancy or summoning that Nature has - so)))) it's not 3 Vampires, but more - much more))) And the Crusaders are doomed)))
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19 years ago
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You're both fixated on one of the "favorite units" metrics and trying to prove something to each other!
But taking just one side into account... even all the metrics combined won't give you a real result. That's why balance exists – it's much deeper and more complex than we imagine.
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19 years ago
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(although, death is generally unnatural for me, so never mind about that knight)

Oh, I didn't think of that :D You're a paladin, so you use light! But you probably play with random units sometimes, then it will be useful :)
In my opinion, "balance" and "luck" in the game mean much more than the difference between a vampire and another level 3 unit!

There's also a big difference between a Djinn and other level 3 units.
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19 years ago
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Pandora;89153
There is also a big difference between a Djinn and other level 3 units.
So, how big is that difference? And how do you assess it?
Maybe the Djinn should be moved to level 4?
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19 years ago
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Alex Ghost;89141
Optimal, don't forget that vampires are also raised through necromancy. Life creatures' Crusaders are only resurrected after a battle thanks to the Life skill. And Life doesn't have the extra growth, like necromancy or summoning, that Nature has. So, it's not 3 vampires, but more – much more! And the Crusaders are doomed.
But it's enough to buy a lord in the Life tavern and level him up to level 2 to get a 2nd-level castle. And then you'll get +1 Crusader per week (6 in version 3.0 and 7 in 3.51). And you need to have a high level of necromancy to raise vampires. And if you only level up that, you'll be limited in terms of development.

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You're both fixated on one of the "favorite units" indicators and trying to prove something to each other!
But you're not considering one of the sides... even all the indicators together won't give you a real result. The balance exists because it's much deeper and more complex than we think.
Maybe you're right, but right now we're discussing which is better in our case: a vampire or a Crusader. :rolleyes: ;)
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19 years ago
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OptiMAL;89166
But it's enough to buy a lord from the life tavern and level him up to 2nd lvl, so that the cathedral is 2nd level. And then you get +1(6\week in version 3.0 and 7 in 3.51) crusaders per week. But your necromancy should be of a high level to raise vamps. If you only level up that, you will be limited in terms of development
On small maps yes - but on large ones Necromancer rules - besides, you yourself won't always be able to afford a lord. And even on small maps you'll have time to level up not to 2, but to 10 or 15 - for necromancers this is generally enough to defeat life and grab vampires in battles - no fewer than 2 vampires are resurrected per battle. Ultimately everything depends on the number of neutrals on the map, and there are no normal maps without a heap of neutrals)))
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19 years ago
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Alex Ghost;89169
On small maps, yes — but on large ones, Necromancy rules. Besides, you yourself won't always be able to afford a lord. And even on small maps, you can level up not just to 2, but to level 10 or 15; for Necromancers, this is generally enough to conquer life and hoard vampires in battles — at least 2 vampires are resurrected per battle. Ultimately, it all depends on the number of neutrals on the map, and there are no decent maps without a heap of neutrals)))
What do you mean I won't be able to afford a lord? I don't mind spending 1500 gold for additional growth.:)
You level up a Necromancer. Soon there are vampires. I level up a general. The vampires will cry when a Crusader with 35\35 stats comes for them:)
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19 years ago
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OptiMAL;89172
How can I not afford a Lord? I don't mind spending 1500 gold for the extra boost. :)
You're leveling up a Necromancer. Soon you'll have Vampires. I'm leveling up a general. The Vampires will be crying when a Crusader with 35/35 stats comes after them. :)
Well, yeah? But what if the hero's Crusader gets tired, and then you attack with a Vampire after waiting. The Crusader won't even have time to strike. Although, under other circumstances, the Crusader could easily defeat the Vampires in one or two rounds.

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