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Greetings, respected forum participants!!!
We present to your attention a "satellite" tournament, the main prize of which will be paid participation and accommodation at the main tournament of the year, CIS-2016, in St. Petersburg.
The above-mentioned package includes:
Accommodation: 7 days in a standard twin room, 8,850 rubles, with the option to choose a roommate (or roommatess)
Meals: 7 days, breakfast and lunch, 4,550 rubles
Conference hall payment for all days - 1,500 rubles
Participation in the main CIS-2016 event - 3,000 rubles
Total package cost: 18,000 rubles

Entry fee - 1,500 rubles. Preferred payment method: transfer to a Sberbank card. Any commission fees are to be covered by the Sender.

Registration is confirmed only after the money is transferred to me!
Detailed information about the CIS 2016 tournament
/topic/11728/

Attention:
This package will be issued on-site on 30.04.16 or 01.05.16 and cannot be transferred to third parties, nor converted into cash (there is an option to exchange the room for an upgraded one with an additional payment or change the meal plan; everything else remains unchanged!!). If the winner of this tournament declines the trip, the package cost is non-refundable and will be added to the prize pool!
TOURNAMENT #1

Tournament bracket: will be here

Tournament Schedule:
Ceremonial draw (online via m200 if the internet doesn't fail)) 21.02.16 at 21:00
Round 1: 21/02 - 28/02
Round 2: 29/02 - 06/03
Round 3: 07/03 - 13/03
Final: 14/03 - 20/03

Players residing in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region are not allowed to participate in this tournament. (An exception is permitted for those who donate half of the BI to the prize pool; as the organizer, I cannot refuse benefactors))
Minimum number of participants: 12 people. Main prize: a package for accommodation and participation in the main tournament of the year, CIS-2016 in St. Petersburg.

Rules: standard + the following changes:
Game version: SoD 3.2 + latest working version of the HD-Mod + HeroesWorld Rules 1.38 (except for the Anarchy template)
Templates: h3dm1, 8mm6a, 6lm10a, JebusCross, Diamond, Mini-Nosta, Anarchy. The player lower in the bracket starts the template draft.
Faction and color selection: Randomizer with bidding. The player higher in the bracket makes the first bid for the faction. (If the bid for a faction reaches 10,000, the color is given to the other player for free)
Description: The host generates a pair of random factions using a special button. Immediately after generation, each player may request a regeneration once for a 500-gold penalty paid to the opponent. If during the regeneration at least one faction repeats, the same player may (but is not obligated to) request a free regeneration until a new pair of factions appears. The penalty cannot exceed 10,000 gold. After bidding for the faction, bidding for color takes place.
For example, after all bidding, a pair of red Castle vs. blue Fortress is generated. Castle was bought for 2,000, and the color for 1,000. The host transfers the total sum of 3,000 to the players' accounts via a special button (in HeroesWorld Rules 1.38) before the start of the game as follows: sets a value of -3,000 next to the red player, and +3,000 next to the blue player.
We play with rebuilding! Since at the CIS it will be enabled to avoid deadlock situations: might VS control.
Time limit for each game: 7 days!
P.S. Restarts on day 113, as usual.

An interesting question has come up regarding the rules for the SoD mirror, since the HeroesWorld rules are still in development, I will formulate the general points mandatory for participants of this Satellite.
Timer: 21,00 +8,30 + 1,15
1). Before the game, each participant can ban from 0 to 1 faction, then a mandatory faction is generated. Who bans the faction first is determined by a coin toss.
2). Then bidding for the hero takes place. Each participant can ban from 0 to 1 hero, then bidding occurs to choose first from the remaining heroes. Who bans the hero first is determined by a coin toss.
3). Then bidding for color. The winner transfers the total amount to the loser.
4). Redraw is allowed. Bid accordingly.
5). Hit and Run is forbidden
6). Philosophy of sameness for h3dm1:
Based on the consideration that both opponents have everything identical (well, except for heroes so far..), the meaning of additional restrictions is lost, meaning players can go wherever they want and pick up/visit any objects without breaking the guard!!! Including with Fly or Dimension Door
7). As for all L+U - the restriction of 1 Dimension Door per turn per hero applies.
8). It is allowed to buy and upgrade any monsters
9). Diplomacy, Cloak of the Undead King, Cartographer, Hill Fort, and the use of game cheats/bugs described by the HeroesWorld rules are FORBIDDEN!!!
10). When starting with a non-Necropolis faction, it is forbidden to build the Amplifier +10% to Necro in secondary towns. Otherwise, there would be a strong imbalance for whom Necro works and for whom it doesn't. I hope Wizard can make identical heroes or do something about Necro))
11). Using level 4-5 scrolls without building the Mage Guild is FORBIDDEN!! However, HeroesWorld Rules will not allow this anyway)
12). If I remember anything else, or if I am reminded, I will add it.

Please note that Redraw is allowed on the following templates:
h3dm1, 8mm6a, 6lm10a, Anarchy
On the templates JebusCross, Diamond, Mini-Nosta, Redraw is FORBIDDEN!!!

However, by agreement with your opponent, but only BEFORE THE GAME! You can negotiate and change the rules as you wish!
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Organizer/Judge/Collector - KobRa_RR

Resolve all disputable situations with your opponent. If you cannot, save the game and write (call) me. (but not after midnight, please!!!! :D )
In case a player categorically disagrees with the Judge's decision, the regulations provide for an urgent appeal to the Chief Judge -Dirty Player.

List of participants:
=Lizard=
Amiloo
Fire2Sky
HellLight
Falcone
Redwhait HP
Amster
Noom
BAJIEHOK
Sanin
Dark
Aiwe
The
Mizrael
Sevensan


Registration must be done in this topic, stating your nickname

To transfer the entry fee, please contact me via ICQ 286406830 or Skype: kobrarr

Don't miss your chance to get to the main Heroes event of the year for just 1,500 rubles!!!

(c)Alexxl


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I'm posting this save file. Play it, and you'll see that I can easily win 143-147. You'll have 211, 86 lives, an unkillable Grechka, and Pyrrh with control.

P.S. I have no intention of apologizing because I believe that I have been subjected to far more serious insults by the decisions made in this situation than by the "accusation of opening save files," which is laughable in itself. We'll sort things out between ourselves over a drink. The situation here is, in my opinion, broader than a dispute between two players.

My password (red): 3001
Alexander's password (blue): 123
So, the judges offended you with their decision, and you accused me of opening your save file... Go explain yourself to Merlin over a drink, Kostya...
Стримы HMM5 на полных картах мод TE:
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Alex_nv - draw - Vovan112013 летос 236

alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.
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By turn 211, Blue will already have almost 200 demons with an elixir. Lizardman, I'm sorry, but you're acting crazy. If you disagreed with the decision and were so sure of your victory, you should have immediately appealed to the Arbitration Committee instead of agreeing to a coin toss, let alone causing this drama two days later!
In my opinion, it's obvious (c), and now it's just playing to the crowd and trying to sabotage the tournament. That's what I see as the organizer. If Kostya and I BOTH made a mistake, which is unlikely in principle, then we simply need to appeal to a higher authority right away. Which, by the way, isn't too late to do even now! But according to established procedure, this must be done in a specially created thread, not like this.
You know the thread, by the way: /topic/at/881763/ because your last post was there :D


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By turn 211, Blue will already have almost 200 demons with the elixir. Lizard, I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense. If you disagreed with the decision and were so confident in your victory, you should have immediately appealed to the Arbitration Committee, instead of agreeing to a coin toss and, even more so, causing a drama two days later!
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That's where I don't understand your logic. It's quite logical that before attacking you and Kostya, Lizard should have looked at the save, assessed the position, and only then made claims. Or should he have looked at the save even before you announced the decision? And what if you had scheduled a replay?
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By turn 211, Red will already have almost 200 demons with the elixir. Lizard, I'm sorry, but you're acting crazy. If you disagreed with the decision and were so confident in your victory, you should have immediately appealed to the Arbitration Committee, not agreed to a coin toss, and certainly not staged a drama two days later!
Did you come up with this yourself, or did you look at the save files? I took a look.
And judging by the save files, Red is Lizard, and he wasn't collecting or planning to collect demons, so I don't understand what you're talking about! And if you meant the opposite, then Num should avoid Lizard on the map, according to the save files, and Lizard has 2 heroes with 3k movement each turn. That is, if Lizard is on one side of the map, then Red should be underground. Num, in turn, has a fast-moving air unit and a slow-moving air unit. In terms of army (and if you also consider Red's Orb of Control), at the time of the decision, Num had 8-10 Nagas, 20 Crusaders, and a few other units scattered around the map. Lizard had 70+ Vivs, 1 Angel, and 23 Naga Queens (with the Orb of Control). And, as far as the save files show, Num didn't see the elixir. And it's unlikely that he would have found the missing ring in the dark very quickly - in this game. As for the demons, that's also questionable! Neither player had full control, and it's not possible to summon a large number of demons very quickly without teleportation. Yes, there might have been some demons, but not in the quantity you say. And the fact that Lizard would build a tower to control the area is just laughable! He definitely would have. Because he had already built a level 4 structure there. And I forgot to mention that in the Inferno zone, which Lizard entered on turn 143, I found a treasure box covering the entire land area behind the horses (Num doesn't see this zone from either side!), and it wasn't there on the other side of the map (I'm talking about the treasure box). When asked who took the missing treasure box, Lizard said it was his Moon unit, which was killed! That is, Pyre (with the Wisdom expertise) was only 1-1.5 turns away from the treasure box covering the entire land area, and she was given the land (as a base) two levels after the one she currently had. That's what I saw on the map...

лето 2012.
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Here, I don't understand your logic. It's perfectly logical that before criticizing you and Kostya, Lizard should have looked at the save, assessed the situation, and then made his claims. Or should he have looked at the save even before you announced your decision? And what if you had scheduled a replay?
That's perfectly normal logic. I disagree with the coin flip - AK, etc. You agreed, so what's there to talk about?
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I don't understand your logic here. It would have been logical for Lizard to look at the save, assess the situation, and then make his claims, rather than immediately criticizing you and Kostya. Or was he supposed to look at the save even before you announced your decision? And what if you had scheduled a continuation of the game?
Dima, hello!)))
I want to say right away that I am impartial to this game, and I am rooting for the real winner. In this regard, I have a question for you: when you submit a game for judging, and it is already clear from the game that it will be a long or even a drawn game, do you expect them to tell you that it's a draw and let's flip a coin, or do you want to get a reasoned result of someone's victory?
In other words, I want to understand why submit a game for a coin toss when you can flip the coin yourself? Or, to put it even more simply: why hire a janitor if he doesn't want to work or doesn't have anywhere to clean?!

лето 2012.
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Perfectly normal logic. If you don't agree to a coin flip, then AK and so on. If you agree, what's there to talk about?
Let me explain for those who are slow: both I and Lizard, as well as many others on this forum, have a perfectly respectful attitude towards Cobra and Dirty. If both of these players had independently told me that the save file showed an approximately equal position, and that finishing the game was impossible due to lack of time, I would have also agreed to a coin flip. And there is nothing strange about the fact that after the result of the match was announced (after, not before!), Lizard wanted to look at the save file from both sides. I haven't seen the position yet (I don't have the opportunity at work), but if I saw what Dark describes, I would also start spewing something even more intense than the Ostankino Tower.

And this whole situation arose only because Lizard, oh miracle! opened the save file only after the judges announced the result, i.e., when the match was formally completed, as it should be according to the rules, and not before. This is a prime example of unworthy behavior.
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Let me explain it for those who are slow: both Lizard and I, as well as many others on this forum, have a great deal of respect for Cobra and Dirty. If both of these players had independently told me that the save file showed a roughly equal position, and that finishing the game was impossible due to a lack of time, I would have agreed to a coin toss as well. And there's nothing strange about the fact that after the result of the match was announced (after, not before!), Lizard wanted to review the save file from both sides. I haven't seen the position yet (I don't have the opportunity at work), but if I saw what Dark describes, I would also start spewing something that would reach higher than the Ostankino Tower.

And this whole situation arose simply because Lizard, miraculously, only opened the save file after the judges announced the result, i.e., when the match was formally over, as it should be according to the rules, and not before. This is a prime example of unworthy behavior.
Listen, Speedy, you can explain things at your workplace. If two people you respect, who are also tournament judges, say that the save file doesn't clearly show who might win, Lizard or Num, and they suggest a coin toss along with their arguments, like Dirty explained why he thinks so, then according to your words, Cobra and Dirty are no longer respected?
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So, according to you, Cobra and Dirty are no longer what they used to be?
Everyone can make a mistake.
Коротко о себе: спесивый сноб
Чуть длиннее: Фонд Дендроидов
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На ощупь пьют эльфийские стрелки!
Нам это идеально подходит (c)
Это вам не шутки - нажрался Дуст в маршрутке! (с)
Пишите на udd@otso.city
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An appeal has been filed; please filter out any further irrelevant posts, as this is a tournament thread. The NUM-Zanin match should be suspended until the Arbitration Committee makes a decision. I apologize to all other participants for the delay.


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Listen, quick one, you'll explain it to yourself later. If two people you respect, who are also tournament judges, say that it's unclear from the save who might win, Lizard or, conversely, Num, and suggest flipping a coin + providing their arguments, like Dirty did, explaining why he thinks so. Does it turn out that, according to your words, Cobra and Dirty are no longer reliable?
Even before the Dark's description, the situation seemed dubious to me, and after it, even more so.

Appeals to someone's authority only work when there are no other arguments. But if there's an opportunity to look at and analyze, then the discussion should be based on the arguments provided by the situation.
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I was ready to do everything I could to finish this round by March 7th, and I'm still ready to do so (but I won't play against both opponents). I'm letting everyone know in advance that I won't be able to play on the 7th, 8th, or 9th.
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Actually, we should have started with that (with the justified complaints about the referee's decision) instead of talking about mandatory final matches in the Wargames Tournament with 211 points and groundlessly accusing me of cheating by looking at the save files. I haven't seen any apologies for that yet.

2Preds: http://rghost.ru/6zPv8nTjM
blue password: 123
red password: 3001

In this save, where Moner has 30 archers and infinite moves, I'm betting on blue! :D
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Forgive me, esteemed judges and, in particular, Num. But I just reviewed the save files (which I practically never do, as those who play with me know). But the conversation went in such a direction that it became really interesting.
You have nothing to apologize for; the game was decided by the judges, and nothing prevents you from examining and analyzing the save files.
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In general, I got the impression that only about 2 minutes were spent studying the save file. Because, during my turn, I pick up another maxed-out Hive along the way (Viv becomes 70+), and I simply rush towards the teleport to reclaim my capital, where I had previously built a level 4 building. There, in the library, is the Dragon Shrine. At the same time, the save file clearly shows that a leveled-up (and still leveling up) Pyrrh is running around near the "unkillable" Grechka at the time of the save, with experience points.
I personally analyzed the save file; it certainly wasn't just 2 minutes, but I didn't spend hours on it either, I confess. In fact, I can say that it's easy to play with an open map; naturally, I saw the library with the Dragon Shrine and Pyrrh with Wisdom, and it's obvious why she's being leveled up. With an open map, it's very easy to come up with a winning plan, immediately rush to the desired city, build a Guildhall there (although it's logical that you should build the Guildhall in the tower), and simultaneously defend it by gathering resources. However, in a real game, I can't say how much time you would have spent clearing the treasure, because it's hard to say what you would have done if you hadn't gotten the Dragon Shrine in the tower, spending a lot of resources, which were at zero at the time of the save. It's hard to say what the opponent would have done in that time, how many boxes he would have looted, whether he would have found a box with all the treasures and obtained a teleport (or even dug up the Moon), which would give him a significant advantage. It's possible that after a few days, you would be left without cities and units, completely unprepared for battles, running around at level 1. Of course, you will eventually implement your plan and get the Dragon Shrine for Pyrrh. But even in this case, certain difficulties will arise, because it is difficult to move an army through a unit with the Dragon Shrine, and the hero separately without a teleport. There is a risk of losing someone during the maneuvers. I was guided by these considerations when making my decision.
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Well, even before Dark's description, the situation seemed doubtful to me, and even more so after it.
Dark's words should be taken with at least a coefficient of 0.5; he's such a sweet talker :D :D :D
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Anyone can make a mistake.
Yes! That's exactly why the Arbitration Committee exists. For the sake of objectivity in the decision, I will not participate in the analysis of the situation, as I am one of the parties involved in the controversial situation. If the Arbitration Committee's decision differs from the judges' decision, I am ready to apologize to Konstantin, with whom I hope we will meet in St. Petersburg regardless of the outcome.
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Took a look at the save. It doesn't seem straightforward. I'm even curious to hear what AK will say.

I don't understand what 5th Heroes of Might and Magic game without resources and markets is being discussed. I would rather bet on the blue player.
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