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In football, they use a round-robin system, with many games for each team against every other team. Here, in Tournaments, it's a small group of 4-6 people with vastly different skill levels, followed by playoffs, often in a best-of-one format, where randomness in hero selection can easily lead to even the objectively strongest player losing that single game. Or, the objectively second-best player might immediately face the best. And if someone plays all the Tournaments throughout the year, that's one thing. But how do you evaluate those who play only 1-2 Tournaments a year? In general, the nature of Heroes of Might and Magic Tournaments is quite different from football.


In tennis, it's purely a playoff system, and a ranking exists.

Currently, there's a good Nitro ranking, and even if a few people are theoretically not in the right place, it doesn't really affect anything.

Perhaps purely tournament-based games would be an even more accurate ranking. Although, in team play, playing in a weaker bracket can raise your ranking higher than it actually is (like in my case).

We need to answer the question: what's the purpose of having the most accurate ranking possible, and how does it affect things? And is it worth the effort?
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A while ago on BT, to boost the prestige of the ranking, I suggested creating something akin to the tennis "ATP Finals Tournament", where exactly 8 people with the highest ranking at the time of the tournament's organization participate annually. I think this is quite feasible on HeroesWorld.
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All games should be posted with save files available for free access. This way, everyone can compare themselves to the top players and learn from them, and see how well a player's skills match their rating. Right now, I don't see much point in the rating other than the numbers themselves.
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Is it just that the guy approaches Facebook games and seasonal games differently? Or maybe it's a coincidence, luck, who knows, I might be wrong.

The fact is that everything ends up in the same pot, and the result is on the scoreboard.

It's just that one thing is Papa Lutske, and another thing is these losing streaks :D

In reality, there are many reasons for this result. I often try to play in a new way in the fun games, which is why I lose, and I don't play that well either. I don't post many reports because I don't care about this rating. And that's normal, almost everyone does it. If the rating becomes more important, people will simply stop playing for the rating.

For me, the most important meaning of the rating is to avoid losing in the fun games, so that there is at least some incentive not to take excessive risks.
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It's just that one thing is my dad, Lutzke, and another thing is these matches :D

Actually, there are many reasons for this result. I often try to play in a new way in ranked matches, which is why I lose, and I don't play that well. I won't post many reports because I don't care about this rating. And that's normal; almost everyone does it. If the rating becomes more important, people will simply stop playing ranked matches.

For me, the most important meaning of the rating is to avoid losing in ranked matches, so there is at least some incentive not to take excessive risks.
Aiwe is still upset)). So, are you saying that you are ready to win against everyone you have overtaken in the leaderboard, and that Bishop, Maretti, Jokerok, and Cobra are not good enough to have a higher rating than you?:smile04:
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Aye was actually offended)) So, are you saying that you're ready to win against everyone you've surpassed in the Facebook leaderboard, and that Bishop, Maretti, Jokerok, and Cobra are actually not good enough to compete with you and unfairly have a higher rating?:smile04:

Of course, he was offended, he took 2nd place twice in the Facebook leaderboard, and he's not being recognized:smile05:

They legitimately have a higher rating, the question is whether it's worth inflating the prestige of the rating; I don't think so. Maybe just give out medals for the top 3.
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Is the M200 tournament planned, or has it been canceled?
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Aiwe
Of course, I was offended. I took 2nd place in the Facebook competition twice, and I wasn't recognized at all:smile05:

And they have a legitimately higher rating, the question is whether it's worth boosting the prestige of the rating. I don't think so. Maybe just give out medals for the top 3.
I wasn't really diminishing your achievement; you performed well in the Facebook competition:smile20: It's just that Volodymyr claimed that there are many unnecessary people in the top 10 of the rating:smile04:
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Is the M200 tournament planned, or has it been canceled?
M200 is now only offline.
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Volodymyr simply stated that there are many unnecessary people in the top 10 of the rating:smile04:
A paradox? Or is the rating a bit flawed? I have a feeling that if the rating were calculated only from tournament games, we wouldn't see such a picture. I believe that the best players of the forum, let alone the top-10, and Aiwe and Javdet are such, by definition, because they were selected among the best players of HeroesWorld (except for Sticky, of course ;) ), should also be in the rating somewhere close to the top.
Where did I claim that someone is unnecessary? :) If you mean this:
...let alone the top-10, and Aiwe and Javdet are such, by definition, because they were selected among the best players of HeroesWorld (except for Sticky, of course ;))
then, the info is from here:
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Well yes, just an "ordinary", "standard", yet "strongest" forum tournament, which the best players of HeroesWorld try to qualify for every year (except for Sticky, it seems)
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whether it's worth raising the prestige of the rating, I think not. Well, maybe give medals for the top 3.
What does prestige have to do with it, let alone medals? (sorry, maybe someone needs them) When you play well and win in the FB - it's more pleasant to watch than when you lose because you played carelessly. It's the same with the rating, it's more pleasant to watch when it is as objective as possible. Why post and calculate anything at all if it doesn't reflect reality?

Why are tournaments held? – to determine the winner, who is stronger, luckier, etc. The main rating should determine the winner among winners, who played better over a certain distance and showed high results across many tournaments. Which, in fact, is happening now, but only the fun games, which are currently counted in the rating on par with tournament ones - distort the picture.
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I doubt that chess ratings are based on casual games. Or is it? We contact FIDE: "Hey, we played a game with Kostyan, please calculate our ratings." :D Although, I might be wrong, and if it's really like that, then I don't know. I think that since they took the formula from chess, it makes sense to take the entire system by which the calculation is organized.
If we talk about official chess, then only official tournaments count. Although there are cases when they first play a tournament and then send it to FIDE to calculate the rating. And there were cases when they take several inactive players, create a tournament table, and send it to FIDE. :D

There are online chess games, where you can challenge any player and increase your rating, and this rating is also used in tournaments. Practice shows that with a normal distance, the rating corresponds to reality. Of course, there are jumps both up and down, but the distance brings it back.
Volodymyr
Today, the main rating of the forum is a mixture of players' strength and the amount of free time.
If you think that having an unlimited amount of time, you can farm a good rating without having skill, you are wrong. To move up the rating, you need to win against strong players, because you will get a small increase in rating for weak players, but at the same time, there is a huge risk of losing a lot in case of a loss (and in Heroes, you can lose to anyone in a single game).

The main problem is that the rating of some individual players does not correspond to reality, because they deliberately do not write down the games they won, but confirm the games they lost, thus artificially lowering their rating. This "problem" can be solved by taking the tournament rating (it would be interesting to see it, by the way), but as already written, the distance will be too small. Therefore, for some, the season is the only way to play it.
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http://heroes3stat.tk/tournament_rating/
Excluding seasonal games. Start date: 01.01.2014 (Everyone starts with 1500 points).
P.S. Sorry, but Ive didn't make it into the top 10 :(
P.S.2 I have a feeling that now they will start looking for "unworthy" tournaments.
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The main problem is that the rating of some individual players does not reflect reality because they deliberately do not record their won games but confirm their lost games, thus artificially lowering their rating.
But who said that this is a problem? I deliberately dropped from 1700 to 1300. :)
The main problem is that the rating doesn't affect anything at the moment; it's just a number for the sake of having one. If it did affect something, maybe people would think about maintaining it.
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http://heroes3stat.tk/tournament_rating/
Without seasonal games. Start date: 01.01.2014 (Everyone starts with 1500).
p.s. Sorry, but Ive didn't make it into the top 10 :(
p.s.2 I feel like they're going to start looking for "unworthy" tournaments now.
The point is that many players only play in tournaments that are convenient for them. I've already mentioned that there are many top players who don't play in M200, where they can easily lose to average players with low ratings, and so on. So, a rating based only on tournaments is nonsense.

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the point is that many players only play in tournaments that are convenient for them. I've already said, for example, that there are many top players who don't play in M200, where they can easily lose to average players with a low rating. etc. so, a rating based only on tournaments is nonsense. pff

Yes, yes, yes, look at the TOP-4, three of them have the most games played, about 150! This means they play in all the tournaments. You also have more than 100 games ;)