Is Conflux a broken castle? — Tactics

AmberSoler

19 years ago

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BotINKi;87226

But other Castles have their own balancing nuances...

Yes, that's true, but Conflux (and Necropolis, for that matter) are banned in online play for a reason. They still have an advantage.

BotINKi;87226

Moner isn't the best sprinter (Gunnar, Kirr, Dessa)...

I think that in the first two weeks, Moner and Pasis will progress further than the others... :) Especially on the first day - these heroes (from the standard set) will run the furthest. And besides, Jelu is also a good starter.

BotINKi;87226

Phoenixes are only restored after their final death in their group...

I meant the amount of hit points that these units have - an increase of 1000 HP per week (taking into account resurrection +20%). Where else can you find that? :)

BotINKi;87226

IMHO, Conflux is overrated!

Everything is relative.

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BotINKi

19 years ago

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AmberSoler;87260

Yes, that's true, but there's a reason why Conflux (and Necropolis, for that matter) are banned in online play. They do have an advantage.

That's what I find interesting – why is there such an attitude towards Conflux?

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AmberSoler

19 years ago

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BotINKi;87263

That's what interests me – why is there such an attitude towards Conflux?

Probably because online games are usually short. And the game often ends after the first encounter between opponents... So, for online play, Conflux is an imbalance.

In offline play, after a couple of months of gameplay, Conflux no longer has any advantage. That's why you don't consider it strong...

Феанор

19 years ago

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Conflux is an absolutely unbalanced faction. Besides levels 1, 6, and 7, as has already been mentioned here, they have, for example, such a mega-cheat as the University. Learning all 4 magical skills for a small price – no one else can do that. And their heroes are all top-notch. Okay, heroes with logistics are common. But look at Cyelle! Specialization in magic arrow + starting water magic – that's an unfairly easy start. The same goes for Grindan, who has earth magic from the very beginning... No, Conflux needs to be banned.

Мугайс

19 years ago

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I played a hot-seat game as Conflux. And when my army of elementals, after two months, clashed with an army of Knights, neither all the magic, nor the fearless fairies, nor the resurrection of phoenixes helped me. The Archangels neatly chopped me into little pieces :(

Kamikaze

19 years ago

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I think it's more of a LOHOVSKY issue than a cheating one!!! If there are no external factors, the Conflux has no chance!

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Against the Archangels, all these CHEATERS are just garbage!!!

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Feanor;87311

The Conflux is an absolutely unbalanced Castle.
Besides levels 1, 6, and 7, which have already been discussed, they have, for example, such a mega-cheat as the University. Learning all 4 magical skills for a small price is something no one else can do.
And their heroes are all top-notch. Okay, heroes with Logistics are common. But look at Ciel! Specialization in Magic Arrow + starting Water magic is an unfairly easy start. The same Grindan, who has Earth magic from the beginning...
No, the Conflux needs to be banned.

I almost agree with everything here, except for the definition of the University as a "mega-cheat." If the Dungeon has a Dragon external factor, their growth will be 5! + 1000 EXP + Mana Vortex. That's pretty good, right?
And regarding the easy start, yes, that's true.

celt

19 years ago

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Everything has its downside! For example, fairies die from a loud sneeze. And half of the creatures are vulnerable to certain spells... You need a lot of different resources to build... So, the town is quite mediocre...

Dark_Knight

19 years ago

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Fairies — their growth is higher than that of Necropolis skeletons; they fly across the entire field and strike without retaliation. Psychic Elementals — they hit several at once without retaliation, and on top of that, have immunity to mind-control magic. Phoenixes — growth for the 7th level is 4 creatures — 2 more than others, fire breath, immunity to fire magic, and rebirth.
I think I didn't miss anything)))
You probably forgot that in that same Necropolis, units are much stronger than units from the Conflux. Let's take those same skeletons and fairies. Skeletons have a growth of 25 per week, fairies have 50. If you put them against each other (50 vs 25), the skeletons will easily destroy the fairies. Skeletons have 10 health, fairies have 4. In principle, such high growth is justified by the weakness of the units. Phoenixes are very easy to destroy. There is no cheating here. As stated above, "Cheating is the entry of codes or the use of special programs that disrupt Gameplay." There really is nothing like CHEATING there.

celt

19 years ago

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Skeletons have 6 hit points! And phoenixes are cooler than spirit dragons!

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SandroXXL

19 years ago

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celt;87522

Skeletons have 6 hit points! And phoenixes are cooler than spirit dragons!

But if you put a bunch of vampires against them, who regenerate after each attack and don't take damage in return, what then! And liches attack adjacent cells. Fight fire with fire. Each castle has its own advantage, and don't forget about necromancy; you can raise skeletons after a battle. And humans have a living archangel who can resurrect a legion of fallen archers. No, everything is balanced; there's no cheating.

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Sniper93

19 years ago

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Ta Kotoraya...;87141

No - it's just that Conflux is a disproportionately strong castle. Even imba... Immunity to many spells. The Grail. Phoenixes and fairies. Those are the main reasons... And "cheater" in this sense means exactly imbalanced

Wow, sure..:eek: ! Regarding it being strong, you've really stretched the truth:) (no offense intended). This is the weakest castle; moreover, it's almost impossible to develop correctly (I don't know about everyone else, but I get attacked by psychos). Please tell me who exactly there is so strong:smile25: ? I can even give an example: you have 10 phoenixes, and they are easily wiped out by even 4 black dragons (proven by personal experience)!!! So, again, no offense intended (and don't sharpen your teeth on me;) ) but Conflux is ----->:smile18:

Alan

19 years ago

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The main argument in favor of cheating is the online experience of those who talk about it... A request to those who consider it weak: please provide your own experience with online games, preferably tournaments... Regarding the weakness of the Castle faction, if you are playing against the AI, don't even mention it... The basis of the imbalance is the large number of expendable level 1 monsters (easy map clearing at the beginning)... the strongest monsters are level 2-3... the invulnerability of THREE monsters to fire, which means that the Armageddon tactic becomes extremely powerful. The possibility of a rush...

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Ta Kotoraya...

19 years ago

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Alan;87679

The main argument in favor of cheating is the online experience of those who talk about it... A request to those who consider it weak: provide your own experience in online games, preferably tournaments... Regarding the weakness of the castle, if you are playing against the AI, don't even mention it... The basis of the imbalance is the large number of expendable level 1 creatures (easy map clearing at the beginning)... the strongest creatures are levels 2-3... the invulnerability of THREE creatures to fire, respectively, the tactic with Armageddon becomes extremely powerful. The possibility of a rush...

Alan, +1! (as soon as the reputation system is fixed) ;)
You choose Zealot, upgrade the butterflies - and that's it! Horrible... the initial map clearing is completely effortless!!!!!!!! And a good start is 80% of success, IMHO. That's why in the Trials expansion, butterflies are only allowed to be upgraded after building... hmm... a university or something. In general, after something extremely expensive. This introduces some balance! But in general, the 4th and 5th levels of the Conflux are a bit weak - but the rest are simply unmatched! Very good...

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I can even give an example: you have 10 Phoenixes, and they can be easily defeated by even 4 Black Dragons (verified by personal experience)!!!

Hmm... considering that the Phoenixes will move first, I have doubts... :rolleyes: Definitely... when I have time, I will even check it specifically!

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Лорелей

19 years ago

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celt;87522

And Phoenixes are cooler than Spirit Dragons!

Phoenixes are weaker than Ghost Dragons.
In Conflux, all creatures are the weakest, which is why there is such a large increase in stats.
Conflux is a fairly average castle.

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K0Lb@zzeR

19 years ago

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fanat;87163

Something is unclear. Is Conflux really the strongest Castle in Heroes? I've always considered it the weakest; almost all of its units are inferior to those of the same level. I've tested this myself. However, immunity to magic is a definite advantage, which might be why it's considered strong. But the unit growth rate definitely doesn't pay off.

What do you think about the second-level units from this Castle? They have 25 health points, and if you upgrade them... it will hurt. I believe that the second-level Elementals are the strongest among the second-level units. In my opinion, once I found a hero from this Castle in the tavern and decided to take him for an experiment. The experiment was successful: 25 Imps + 6 Elementals + a Magic Arrow shooter (with a magic skill of 4 or 5 at that time... I don't remember) easily defeated 150 upgraded Barbarian level 1 units. So, there you have it – a decent Castle.

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Dark_Knight;87520

You probably forgot that in Necropolis, the units are much stronger than the units from Conflux. Let's take Skeletons and Imps as an example. Skeletons have a growth rate of 25 per week, while Imps have 50. If you put them against each other (50 vs. 25), the Skeletons will easily destroy the Imps. Skeletons have 10 health, while Imps have 4.

But if you upgrade both, your 25 Skeletons will fall, while the number of Imps will remain at 50. Upgraded Imps are unmatched among the first-level units. The only thing that can destroy them is gold (Gremlins, level 1 Tower, where Titans are). But even then, I'm not sure... you can just experiment with this.

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