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In Ashan, it's not high elves, but drow; high elves were in Might and Magic 8 and TES III, but here it's clearly drow, with their way of life, matriarchy, etc.
- yes, there are no drow in Heroes 5; I agree with Silvanis, they only have elements of matriarchy. And the Dunmer from TES are also not quite dark elves; their way of life is different and doesn't resemble any of the known dark elves in fantasy.
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- yes, there are no Dark Elves in Heroes 5, I agree with Silvanis, they only have elements of matriarchy. And the Dunmer from TES are also not quite Dark Elves; their way of life is different and doesn't resemble any of the known Dark Elves in fantasy.
Well, in TES III, the Dark Elves are very different from the Elves in Heroes 5. Of course, they are actually Chimer.
What kind of matriarchy is there when the leaders are men and half of the heroes are men? And this Ilia, the guardian of the law, almost grovels before Raelag - with the Drow, she would have whipped him and sent him to punish those she disliked.
But what about the units?
The Shadow Mistress is a priestess; there are no priests. Then there's the architecture. And if you look at Might and Magic 8, where the Dark Elves lived on the surface and were merchants, they don't resemble the Dark Elves in Heroes 5 at all, and therefore they are more like Drow. Besides, the highest position in society is the Shadow Mistress, not the Shadow Lord; the English name is: Shadow Matriarch. In Heroes 5, two societies are built: a true patriarchy - the Dwarves - and a female Dark Elf society.
The Dwarves have Rune Patriarch priests.
And there is a long-standing war between these races, for example, the Underdark War, when the Elves turned away from worshipping Malassa in favor of Urgash, or rather, the Clan of Stern Hearts, whose leader later became the leader of the Igg-Shail clan
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In the Dark Elves, male characters have always been the leaders of their heroes and clans throughout all campaigns. Where is the matriarchy? The absence of a matriarchy doesn't mean that women are powerless. They can lead, but they don't lead clans or the entire society (though they can), so it's neither a matriarchy nor a patriarchy.
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In Heroes of Might and Magic 5, throughout all the campaigns, the Dark Elves' Heroes were led by men. Where is the matriarchy? If there is no matriarchy, it doesn't mean that women are powerless. They can lead, but they don't lead clans or the entire society (but they can), so it's neither a matriarchy nor a patriarchy.
Ilayia is the guardian of the laws, but how many leaders have you seen? Railag, Tralsai, and so on. And if you read the article on the Nival website:
The Dark Elves separated from the Wood Elves, making a pact with the mysterious Faceless Ones. Then, their entire people embraced Darkness and began to live in the underground world, building their cities in huge underground caves. The Dark Elves worship the dragon of darkness and prove their devotion to it through actions in its honor, so the Dungeon society is built on secrecy, intrigue, betrayal, and occultism. Each city is ruled by its own clan, headed by the High Priestess. Women are all-powerful in this society, as they control the religious, political, and military power. They do not raise children themselves; instead, they send them to the Temple, where they are taught all the sciences that a young Dark Elf must know to survive in this world.

In peaceful times, the Dark Elves use their very specific skills against other Dark Elf cities to strengthen their clan. But during wartime, all their skills will be directed at killing, and the power of intrigue will be unleashed on the common enemy. As warriors, the Dark Elves are known for their exceptional strength and agility, which even their lower-ranked troops possess. Fortunately for their enemies, their exceptionalism is very expensive, and the growth of warriors is small, so the Dark Elves are few in number, and the loss of each warrior is a serious blow to their military power.
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Magnus, in that case we see another example of Nival's idiocy. They are contradicting themselves. Magnus, I hope you've read Salvatore??? I tried a bit. Well, if the dark elves in Heroes are drow (drau, drovy), then I am Peter Blood :).
Regarding the Faceless — here I must say that yes, Ursula Le Guin first came up with this idea, but someone else presented it differently :) The Faceless, also known as Shadows — they are the dark side of any person's soul. Which, if we stick to U. Le Guin's version, gains power only if a person is afraid of their own Shadow...
So there is a connection, Silv... roughly the same as Hjedvard has with Middle-earth :) similar, but altered. The Faceless don't care about demons or angels... they are darkness, not Evil, but Darkness.
(Everything above is my IMHO)




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Magnus, then we see another example of Nival's idiocy. They contradict themselves. Magnus, I hope you've read Salvatore??? I tried reading it a bit. So, if the dark elves in Heroes are drow, then I am Peter Blood :).
Regarding the Faceless – I must say that yes, Ursula K. Le Guin came up with this idea first, but someone didn't present it quite right. The Faceless, also known as Shadows, are the dark side of every person's soul. Which, if we follow Le Guin's version, gains strength only if a person is afraid of their own Shadow...
So, the connection, Sylv, does exist... it's roughly the same as the connection between Hjedvard and Middle-earth: similar, but changed. The Faceless don't care about demons or angels... they are darkness, not Evil, but Darkness.
(All of the above is my IMHO)
Well, congratulations, you are now Peter Blood. :) But let's get back to the topic of our conversation; I still believe that there is no need to create a race of Faceless. They are divine entities, and practically of the same class; they cannot be divided into a hierarchy, as can be done with angels. But a race of angels cannot be created; it is something divine, because there cannot be an angel at level 1, who can be killed by any gremlin
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The Faceless are equal to angels. Just as angels belong to Elrath, the Faceless belong to Malassa. However, only one Faceless remains. There cannot be just one parallel opposition between Malassa and Elrath: Elrath has no dragon race descended from him, while Malassa does.
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Magnus, seriously, if it were a drow, they wouldn't have let Railagu compete for power.
The faceless race is just unnecessary...
Well, Ksel, you're amazing... how is it "only one faceless one remained"? I admit, I might not know something, but, seriously, they pray to the FACES!!! And one more thing... Malassa is just a RATIONAL LIZARD:) to put it mildly. And Elrath is a descendant of Ash. And even if that's not the case, then who is the Dark One??? Surely, they are clones:) Plus, in the end, Malassa is not opposed to Eldar! She's on the sidelines!
(Magn, if you read Le Guin, here's an idea - T.E. is




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Magnus, come on, if it were a drow, they wouldn't have let Railag compete for power:)
The Faceless are an unnecessary race...
Well, Ksel, you're on fire... how is it that "only one Faceless remained"? I admit, I might not know something, but, come on, they pray to the Faceless!!! And one more thing... Malassa is just a RATIONAL LIZARD:) so to speak. And Elrath is a descendant of Asha. And even if that's not the case, who are the Black Dragons then? They must be clones:) Plus, in the end, Malassa is not opposed to Eldar! She's on the sidelines!
(Magn, if you've read Le Guin, here's a thought - T.E. is a mix of drow and Karg.)
It's logical, but the problem is that in my head, logic is fighting with common sense :)
Logic - the Nival website says about their culture, and it turns out that they are drow
Common sense - the Nival website says that they are dark elves, and there are also facts that Railag is the clan leader, Tralsai is the clan leader, Sorgall is Railag's general
Logic - but the laws say that any of Malassa's children could compete for the right to become the leader
Common sense - but this suggests that it's not a matriarchy
Logic: but a matriarchy can exist in the management of cities, their clans, and there is only a Guardian of the Laws, not a Guardian, and the title of the Shadow Matriarch
to be continued,
Malassa is an elemental dragon, I don't know how she became one, but it is known that Asha created 6 elemental dragons:
Arkat
Silat
Shallasa
Silanna
Elrath
Malassa
even the Sphinx talks about this
the black dragon is Malassa's servant, just as the Angel is Elrath's.
The Faceless may be the black dragons. In short, why are we guessing when we can ask Nival through philosophical reasoning, but the probability that they will answer is 0%, it's good if they don't even write a comment, 8)
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Malassa is not uninvolved – she is an Elemental Dragon, just like Elrath. Malssara, the intelligent lizard, is the daughter of Malassa. Not only one Faceless One remains, but few. They worship, among others, Malassa, and the Faceless Ones and Malssara, as angels and messengers of Malassa.
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That’s a good idea.
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So, what have you decided? Who or what are the Faceless?
Мудрость должна найти применение в твоей жизни,иначе она заржавеет,как меч,который ни разу не пустили в дело.
Первооткрывательница,советник по делам мира Клана "E pluribus unum":rolleyes:

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Aren't those elementals? They don't seem to have proper horns...

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