- How to defeat Galtran? — Tactics

Kyle

19 years ago

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Lord-Aries;85423

It's a simple calculation - 200 Behemoths take out 5000 Skeletons in one go, when the hero is leveled up.

200 Behemoths take out 5000 Skeletons in one hit?? :smile11:
Am I understanding correctly...?
And what level should the hero be?

CrasH

19 years ago

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I don't even want to think about how many skeletons Garthan will have if you have 200 Behemoths... It's clearly more than 5000 =)))

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samadura

19 years ago

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Lord-Aries;85423

It's a simple calculation - 200 Hippogryphs and 5000 Skeletons in one go, while leveling up the hero. And 200 Hippogryphs is actually achievable! I've done it, and please note, not at the end of the game (it's about luck with the castles). But I only managed to get about a thousand or two Skeletons. C'est la vie, although I admit I haven't played with them much. Barbarians are Barbarians, they are supposed to develop FASTER than Necromancers. Again, what guarantee do you have that you won't have a Barbarian neighbor in an online random game? You wouldn't claim that Liches are good in battle against Griffins and Hippogryphs, would you? Even if there isn't a rush nearby, do you think everyone will just watch you capture Utopias (after you've developed)? I doubt they'll even be left standing. And you can scrape together enough money to buy 7 slots for a decisive battle from across the map. But this is just my personal opinion, and I'm not forcing anyone to agree. Everyone can win or lose with any faction - this is clear to everyone.

It's funny to listen to you, honestly.
And 200 Hippogryphs is actually achievable! I've done it, and please note, not at the end of the game (it's about luck with the castles). --that's a lot of castles of the same type + additional Hippogryph mines to gather that many, and not at the end of the game! It's like a purely Barbarian world, not a map. :D :D :D I haven't encountered such hegemony of one faction on computer-generated maps yet...
It's a simple calculation - 200 Hippogryphs and 5000 Skeletons in one go, while leveling up the hero. --yes... so, a Barbarian who somehow managed to get 200 Hippogryphs will be well-leveled, while the Necromancer hero who, in that time, only managed to gather a few miserable 5000 Skeletons will be weak as wet tissue. :)
Barbarians are Barbarians, they are supposed to develop FASTER than Necromancers. --Barbarians run faster, but that doesn't mean they develop faster (development includes hero leveling and the overall strength of the royal army). If the first point can still be argued, the second point only supports the Necromancers, their army will always be powerful due to the hordes of Skeletons.
Again, what guarantee do you have that you won't have a Barbarian neighbor in an online random game? --Oh, come on... the only thing I don't like about Barbarian or Swamp neighbors is their 3rd-level magic... you can't learn anything useful in their castle, and you have to fight... they are very unpromising neighbors.
Even if there isn't a rush nearby, do you think everyone will just watch you capture Utopias (after you've developed)? I doubt they'll even be left standing. And you can scrape together enough money to buy 7 slots for a decisive battle from across the map.
What will they do? Who would really want to stand in the way of a fully equipped Necromancer hero who has practically lost nothing during the game and has only been accumulating hundreds of Skeletons. And regarding Utopias, it is precisely Necromancers who can visit them in the early stages of the game (it is quite realistic by the end of the first month), which is very problematic for other factions... that's the thing.
And in general, to summarize everything said, my advice to you is to play less against the computer and more with serious opponents, real people at a difficulty level of 200%... then the desire to play with unpromising Barbarians or those same Swamp creatures with their 3rd-level magic will disappear, and there won't be such funny statements about 200 Hippogryphs killing 5000 Skeletons with one blow

Lord-Aries

19 years ago

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Serious words require serious proof. As I said in other topics, arguing here is pointless, and using authority to pressure others is also useless... Regarding the hippos – I had 8 castles and 3 mines, plus the Grail. Tell me, is that impossible? Do I have too little magic? In other games, I can get a portal and all the flying units – no one is stopping me from increasing my wisdom. Arguing here is pointless; everyone has their own style, and it's difficult to verbally determine whose is better. In reality, everything will depend on the map, luck, and the players' skills. This is a much more significant factor. We'll see each other online again, don't worry:))

CrasH

19 years ago

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LOL.... I can't stop laughing... The topic is about how to defeat Garthlan.... the answer is: find 8 castles, 3 dwellings of the highest level, dig up the Grail, and then defeat Garthlan!!! :D WOW! :smile20: Super tactic! I will definitely use it :D

Don't take it as rudeness.... Do you have such luck on all your maps????

What if you don't manage to find all of that? What are your actions??? If your armies are approximately equal, except for one type.... When Garthlan has 4000-5000 skeletons, while you have 400-500 units, and the skeletons' skills are comparable to those of the 5th or 6th tier units??? It would be interesting to hear about your actions in this case....:smile

Silvanis

19 years ago

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In my opinion, it's very simple – you just take him and beat Glatran!
He's no better or worse than any other hero...

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Ataman

19 years ago

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CrasH;85634

LOL… I can’t stop laughing… The topic is about how to defeat Garthlan… the answer is: find 8 Castles, 3 dwellings of the highest level, dig up the Grail, and go for Garthlan!!! :D WOW! :smile20: Super tactic! I will definitely use it :D

Don't take this as rudeness…. Do you have such luck on all maps????

What if you don't manage to find all of that? What are your actions??? If your armies are approximately equal, except for one type.... When Garthlan has 4000-5000 skeletons while you only have 400-500, and these skeletons aren't inferior in skills to units of the 5th or 6th tier???: This is where it becomes interesting to hear about your actions...:smile12:

Skeletons that aren't inferior in skills to those of the 6th tier?:confused: To be on par with the 6th tier, they need about 10 defense and 10 attack... This is possible at level 37 (1775477 experience): +8 defense, +10 attack. But it’s unlikely anyone would develop them to that level. I already described how skeletons improve when leveling up Garthlan here. Maybe my version is old? Check yours.

CrasH

19 years ago

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Silvanis;85641

In my opinion, it’s very simple – you take him and beat Glathran!
He is no better or worse than any other hero…

Better... not much, but still better! The main strength of the Necromancers are skeletons... And if a hero allows this strength to become even more formidable... Skeletons sweep away everything in their path... They are stronger and faster under Garlthan's command... And I don't think I need to explain how important speed is in Heroes....

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Ataman;85646

Skeletons that do not yield in skills to level 6???:confused: To be on par with level 6, they need about 10 defense and 10 attack... This is possible at level 37 (1775477 experience): +8 defense, +10 attack. But few people will develop to such a level. I have already described the improvement of skeletons when leveling up Galtran here. Maybe my version is old? Check yours.

That’s what I wrote – 5-6… because they definitely become like liches :smile01:. And in HL you can sometimes reach level 37... rarely, of course... but still... but the fact that they don't lag behind liches in terms of skills quite quickly - I GUARANTEE IT!!!! or almost like liches... there is a difference of 8 attack and 6 defense between skeletons and liches... which is almost equalized by level 17 )) according to your calculations ))) Are you often below this level in HL??? Or higher??? That's what I mean =)))))))))))

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Ataman

19 years ago

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CrasH;85647

That's what I wrote, 5-6... because they definitely become as good as liches:smile01: And on XL, you can sometimes even reach level 37... rarely, of course... but still... but the fact that skeletons quickly become comparable to liches in terms of skills - I GUARANTEE IT!!!! or almost as good as liches... skeletons have a difference of 8 attack and 6 defense compared to liches... which almost evens out by level 17 )) according to your calculations ))) And do you often have a lower level on XL??? Or higher??? That's what I'm talking about =)))))))))))

Rarely up to 37??? Yes, almost never!!! Do they quickly catch up to liches? According to my calculations (if they are correct), it takes 8 attack and 6 defense, which corresponds to level 29, which is also very rare to achieve on XL. If it is possible, then it's definitely not quickly:)
And my level is usually no higher than 25-26 (although it all depends on the map).

CrasH

19 years ago

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25-26... At level XL.... so what don't you like? We're practically as good as liches now! =) Well, 1-2 skills don't count... Okay, I made a mistake saying level 6... but still - when skeletons have skills comparable to liches, is that not a lot?????!!!!

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Lord-Aries

19 years ago

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CrasH;85634

LOL.... I can't stop laughing... The topic is about how to defeat Garthan.... and the answer is: find 8 castles, 3 dwellings of the highest level, dig up the Grail, and go for Garthan!!! :D WOW! :smile20: Super tactic! I will definitely use it :D

If you have the opportunity, don't miss it; don't take it as sarcasm.
And don't take it as rudeness, but please reread my posts, and you will see that I simply wrote that the MAP matters MUCH more than the choice of race, and it always has. Waiting for 8 castles to appear on their own, and if they don't, constantly regenerating the map is like a stupid idiot, but I think the topic is simply formulated incorrectly. Garthan may not gather skeletons and may not develop at all. Then there is nothing to defeat. A bad generation can place about 7 Archdevils near the exit, guarding a chain of something to be taken to the quest dwelling - and that's it. 3/4 of the map can be mountains - and that has happened. This also negates the advantage. Now, to the question of what to do if he does gather skeletons, with roughly equal development.
Can you answer this question yourself? What's the point of answering it? It all boils down to the fact that the opponent has a cool, slow tank, and you don't. This is either an essay in many volumes on what to do and who is to blame for this situation on the map, or panicked cries of adoration for Garthan. I see the final battle in the castle, where Garthan is defending, because there has been a long war for him (with an expert town portal). Well, if that's the case, then everything has already been said for me - we take archers into the army, block the exit, and hope that the enemy doesn't have an earthquake spell, if we have ballistics... Although, everything may be different, but this needs to be looked at on a SPECIFIC map, depending on the specific development of the enemy.

Qwerty

19 years ago

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I agree with Lord-Aries.
To the question of what to take for Dragon Utopia, I answer: meat for the one-shot + bears, and in certain cases ogres, birds. And angels.
Because by the second week, a Barbarian turns into a tank: 6 birds, good attack, and decent movement at that.

And instead of attempts at "humor-creation," it would be better to challenge Lord-Aries to an online match, giving him barbarians. Then we'll see whose kung fu is stronger :)))

Zingel

19 years ago

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Against Galtran, the Barbarian has KregHag.
By level 25, the Necromancer only has a bunch of bonus skeletons, while the Barbarian has everything with a very good bonus (Specialists, state the attack bonus of KregHag).
+ Also, objectively, the Barbarian's troops are stronger than the Necromancer's.

Qwerty

19 years ago

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Yeah. And besides Krag, there’s also Dessa.

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CrasH

19 years ago

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Qwerty;85747

I agree with Lord-Aries.
To the question of what to take from Dragon Utopia, I answer: Cape for the same + bears, in certain cases ogres, birds. And angels.
Because by the second week, a Barbarian turns into a tank: 6 birds, good attack and at the same time decent movement.

And instead of attempts at humor-creation, it would be better to challenge Lord-Aries to an online match, giving him Barbarians. Then we'll see whose kung fu is stronger :)))

I'm not saying that Gartlan is completely invincible! It's just that he represents a very serious threat... In all the threads, I am precisely trying to prove the balance of castles! But in some there are heroes who have a clear advantage!!!

To challenge someone to a duel—that's easy! :) Always ready to play! Even with pleasure! But the description about 200 bears really made me laugh.... No one here will be an opponent :D

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