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hobo, a question: why is the archangel waiting on the first turn in the battle with the behemoth, huh? In that case, at least for me, the behemoth would have gone into defense instead of stomping off own way. Maybe you should also consider magic?

Without waiting, using your own calculations:
Turn 1: Archangel hits for 77hp, Ancient Behemoth responds with 83 (status: Archi 167 health, Ancient Behemoth 223). Ancient Behemoth hits for 83 health, archangel responds with 77 (status: Archi 84 health, Ancient Behemoth 146)
Turn 2: Archangel hits for 77hp, Ancient Behemoth responds with 83 (status: Archi 1 health, Ancient Behemoth 69). Ancient Behemoth hits for 83 and kills the archangel.

What do you think of this version?

2 hobo, the calculations are certainly good. BUT!!! Either you run the battle on auto-battle (and then the archer moves first and attacks the monster, consequently losing), or you do it manually (and then the monster defends on the second turn and also kills the archer). That's exactly why it's considered that archers lose, and you don't even need to take the maximum damage...

P.S. And thanks a lot for the complete answer and numerical justifications...

The archangel waits on the first turn because his speed is higher and the beast's speed doesn't allow it to reach the Arch in 1 turn.
If the Beast goes into defense, the Archangel will do the same. Then the battle won't even start. But the Beast won't win in that case:)

...If the Beast goes into def on the second turn, the archangel also goes into def. And again, the battle won't end if they just stay in def like that.

So, it seems the Beast is probably not destined to win the battle.
But thank you, thanks to you I will know that the beast has at least some chance of a draw in a battle with an archangel;)

Simply put, if you're going to compare creatures directly, without any tactical maneuvers, then you can't use any tactical tricks. And, by the way, I don't remember the minimum damage of the creatures; try calculating it that way. Most likely, if the Archmage won't wait, he will die in this case as well. And the chance of inflicting minimum damage is small, just like the maximum damage – you need to take the arithmetic mean.

Simply put, if you're going to compare creatures in such a straightforward way, you can't use any tactical tricks. And, by the way, I don't remember the minimum damage of monsters; try calculating it that way. Most likely, if the Archangel doesn't wait, he will die in this case as well. And the chance of inflicting minimum damage is small, just like the maximum damage – you need to take the arithmetic mean.

The minimum damage of Monsters is 30.
If it's just a straight-up fight, then Monsters wins if the damage is greater than 37.
But if the Archangel gets Battle Fury (and that's

The average is 40, so he himself said that the monster would win, and yes, the moral of the story is that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't – it's unpredictable.

The average is 40, so he himself said that the monster would win, and yes, the moral of the story is that sometimes it wins, sometimes it doesn't – it's unpredictable.

In a simple battle, the monster might win, but it might also lose (and I don't know the probability of that; I don't have such knowledge in the field of theoretical probability).
But I don't think it's right to take a simple battle as an example, because then Arch's speed, which is actually his advantage, doesn't bring him any benefits. Therefore, in a battle where Arch, using his speed, first waits, the monster's maximum result will be a draw.

So, it's

Phoenixes are the weakest. Even Ghost Dragons are stronger than Phoenixes; resurrection doesn't help them.

By the way, why aren't Ice Dragons and Archdevils included in the poll???:confused: Aren't they level 7 creatures? If you're organizing a poll, you should include ALL creatures of that level... The goal of the poll is to find out what gamers and users think... or is it not?

By the way, why aren't ice dragons and archdevils included in the poll???:confused: Aren't they level 7 creatures? If you're organizing a poll, you should include ALL creatures of that level... The goal of the poll is to find out what gamers and users think.... or is it not?

Because the poll was created by someone who wasn't very good at it (no offense, but it's true)... Now the poll includes all creatures.

P.S. Actually, there are no ice dragons, there are spectral dragons.

Because the poll was created by someone who isn't very skilled (no offense, but it's true)... Now the poll includes all creatures.

P.S. And by the way, there are no ice dragons, there are spectral dragons.

Thank you for including all the options, but now it's no longer possible to revote. I would have given my vote to the Archdevil.
P.S. He can handle the hippopotamus!:smile51:

Because the poll was created by someone who isn't very skilled (no offense, but it's true)... Now the poll includes all creatures.

P.S. And by the way, there are no ice dragons, there are spectral dragons.

Listen, I don't even know why I call them that... maybe in some version they were called that... I couldn't have come up with such a name myself, I don't have that much imagination.))
P.S. Hehe.

Thank you for providing all the options, but now it's no longer possible to vote again. I would cast my vote for Archdevil.
P.S. He'll definitely handle the hippopotamus!:smile51:

We can remove this poll and create a new one... However, all votes will be lost...

But I don't think it's right to just compare raw attack power, because then Arch's speed, which is actually his advantage, won't bring him any benefits. Therefore, in a battle where Arch uses his speed to wait and observe, the best result for the creature will be a draw.

In general, regarding comparing creatures, see above - you need to compare armies, because the main advantage of the Hydra in a duel disappears, Phoenixes also don't dominate, because their strength lies in numbers, and there is also a difference: Arch's morale only affects him, or his entire army. And if you start comparing them in a simplistic way, then that's how it should end.

We could remove this poll and create a new one... Although all the votes would be lost...

We could do that, but would it significantly change the result? I think people will vote for Archdevil, and a few for the Ice faction... sorry, the Spectral faction... I doubt it would change much, and it would be extra work... Ideally, it should be done, but it would be a shame to lose this poll.

Generally, regarding the comparison of creatures, see above - armies should be compared, because the main perk of the hydra disappears in a duel, phoenixes don't rule either because their strength lies in numbers, and there's a difference whether the archangel's morale affects only itself or its entire army. And if you start comparing blindly, then that's how it should end.

I disagree. This thread is about comparing creatures, and if you want to compare armies, then create a thread about comparing armies (of course, searching for a similar one first so as not to create another clone). Here, specifically level 7 creatures are being discussed. Of course, some bonuses of certain creatures are lost in the process... but what can you do, that's the topic. In this case (archangel vs. ancient beholder), the ancient beholder doesn't lose anything, it seems. So it's not to their detriment.
But even though we are comparing creatures here, we should compare them intelligently-->
i.e., by maximizing the use of the creatures' characteristics in battle.

For now, I'll summarize the conclusion I've reached for myself (though of course I hope it will be changed into a more accurate form, as has already happened :) )
Here is the conclusion:
The strongest creature in a 1 on 1 battle for me remains the Archangel, but in a match with an ancient beholder, a draw will be recorded due to the reluctance of each creature to perish :). And I give first place to the Archangel based on an additional metric: 1 on 1 battles with other monsters. Based on that, I don't see anyone else who could beat an archangel, while ancient beholders lose to titans (although I haven't checked this version, but until I do, I'll rely on the statements of forum members).
It's something like a national football championship: everyone plays everyone, and whoever has more points wins :)

Of course, I would be grateful if someone could suggest a more accurate way to compare level 7 monsters in a 1 on 1 duel.

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well, I've conducted several battles... 10 on 10... and even taking into account that the archangels wait and the beholders approach and the archs hit afterwards, they often lose... And a repeat turn is such an unpredictable thing... for beholders, it happened even more often for me than for archangels... and if using auto-battle, the archs didn't win a single time... but generally, the poll is about which creature is the best, not the strongest =) Ancient beholders have 80% defense reduction... meaning even the defense that a hero gives to any creature... and that helps a lot!!!! And that's why I consider the ancient beholder to be the BEST creature!!! Because for every 10 defense gained by the hero, the creature they attack uses only 2!!!

I disagree (or I don't understand) on several points:
1)>And a repeat turn is such an unpredictable thing... for beholders, it happened even more often for me than for archangels
How did you conduct the battle? Because as far as I remember, a repeat turn only occurs if a creature's morale is greater than 0. And the beholder's parameter for this is such that a repeat turn never happens :)
2)>well, I've conducted several battles... 10 on 10... and even taking into account that the archangels wait and the beholders approach and the archs hit afterwards, they often lose
Have you tried conducting a battle where the archangels are not standing in one clump? I haven't checked it myself, of course, but such a course of battle would be interesting to me from the perspective of results. Because then there will be very, very many options :)
3)>but generally, the poll is about which creature is the best, not the strongest =)
He-he, in that case, one must consider the creature as useful throughout all stages of the game :) And that is very difficult, and seems to me impossible. A lot of nuances come to light.
For example, in a game of Stronghold against Conflux.
there could be such a scenario. The Stronghold hero stands at a Conflux castle (any). The Conflux hero moves into this castle, leaves the creatures there except for 1 phoenix, puts on artifacts that maximize magic power, attacks the Stronghold hero, uses Armageddon, and capitulates. Buys back the hero in the tavern and attacks again. Then, when the Stronghold hero is sufficiently weakened, we attack with all troops and win? Which creature is better? Of course the phoenix, thanks to it, a whole army is defeated without effort.
Or there could be this scenario: Attacked with one phoenix, but the enemy has Shackles of War, and the hero is lost. Which creature is better? Beholder! And the phoenix is a bad creature overall, it ruined the hero.
Many, many nuances :) every battle, every game introduces many corrections. And it's impossible to evaluate which creature is better. Each has its own pros and cons. Every creature in a specific game can be the best, or it can not be.

Generally, it would be very good if the author of the thread explained himself what he meant :D