God... Truth or fiction? — Philosophy

LeSHiJ-MaX

4/15/2007 6:23 PM UTC

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Silvanis;83461

This has always bothered me too, as it doesn't align with the idea of boundless divine mercy. That's why I believe in reincarnation, as a result of which a person – faster or slower, depending on their actions – moves towards the ultimate goal: transitioning to a qualitatively higher level of existence (well, heaven, or becoming an angel, or something like that), and so on.

I apologize for the interruption, but you seem to be mixing things up, confusing the statements of some unknown person with the statements of God. And don't confuse what you've read; it's unlikely that God wrote it. And it is not for a mortal to judge His decisions.

P.

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Silvanis

4/15/2007 6:48 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;83464

Is extremism only Islamic? What about the IRA – they are Irish Catholic extremists. And they sincerely believe in God and sincerely hate Protestants.

I heard. So what? This doesn't negate the fact that there are Muslim terrorists, and their activity exceeds the activity of terrorists of other faiths. By the way, the main thing for the IRA is not religion, but a free and united Ireland.

AlexeyPank;83464

I don't want to condemn any particular religion; I believe that they are all worthy of respect. But at the same time, I can't stand it when they are imposed. There is nothing worse than intrusive preachers.

I agree. In this sense, Protestants greatly discredit Christianity.

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2 LeSHiJ-MaX - I'm not saying that I am an Orthodox Christian (Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, or someone else). I sadly admit that I am a heretic:(
God could have written what I wrote; I don't know! Maybe He guided my hand?:) But this is not in the Bible, of course. By the way, just so you know, the Bible was written by people, albeit through revelations.
And a mortal does not judge His decisions.
Also, just so you know, "atheist" is spelled with an "e". And in general, there is such a thing as grammar. It is better not to forget about it – otherwise, the thought becomes too unclear... I'm still not entirely sure that I understood the post correctly...

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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Берсерк

4/15/2007 7:18 PM UTC

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Just a respected atheist who doesn't mix things up, studying in 6th grade and getting involved in a conversation without bringing anything to the table. Absolutely pointless post. Supreme, are you okay? I want to end the argument, but you're starting it. And if topics like "Does God exist?" are allowed, then topics like "Is it okay to kill black people?" or not? What's the point of all this demagoguery? A smart person will understand that all this only escalates the relationship between users. What do your admins think?

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Nowizard

4/15/2007 9:25 PM UTC

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Berserk;83475

Just a respected atheist who doesn't mix things up, studying in 6th grade and getting involved in a conversation without bringing anything to the table. Absolutely empty post.
Supreme, are you okay? I want to end the argument, but you're starting it.
And if topics like "Does God exist?" are allowed, then topics like "Is it okay to kill black people?" or not? What's the point of all this demagoguery? A smart person will understand that all this only escalates the relationship between users. What do your admins think?

Bers, the "Philosophy" section is created for debates and theories. If that's the case, let's close the section

Бог есть любовь

Kamikaze

4/16/2007 5:48 AM UTC

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What a great topic you've brought up. It's very relevant.
Allow me to share my purely personal opinion.
Since childhood, I've felt that there is some kind of force that some call God or Satan. It exists, and everyone has their own. The Devil is also a god, just a different one, most likely the same, but the god of other people. They will always be together. Black and white, hell and heaven, cold and hot, light and darkness. Whenever there is a force, there is always a counter-force. This is a law of nature. Some believe in themselves – for them, God is themselves. For others, they need someone, some very powerful being, a cluster of energy, or something else – that will be the god for that person. I, for example, believe in reincarnation. I believe that there is no end. And when things are bad, or things aren't going well, I go to church. Although I believe in myself, I don't believe in someone else (GOD or the DEVIL). You can believe in Odin, Thor, Buddha, Shiva, or someone else – faith is a refuge for any person. Without faith, a person dies. There are no atheists. Atheists have their own faith; I don't know what it is, but I don't believe that they don't believe in anything.

Ganymed

4/16/2007 7:24 AM UTC

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I completely agree with Kamikaze!

"Faith is the refuge of any person." Grandly said! I'm giving a virtual +:)
Atheism is also a belief, of course, as is any idea in general. Soviet people had faith in a "bright future" - a paradise on earth, faith in the power of man, not God. This is also a belief. "Ad absurdum," as Tertullian said about Christianity?. Of course, "from the absurd," but that's why it's faith, because it's "from the absurd," not "from logic."

"Without faith, a person dies." Absolutely true!
Just as without food, water, or air. Faith is a naturally necessary component for a person, his life's foundation and "engine."

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AlexeyPank

4/16/2007 8:25 AM UTC

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Islamic extremism is simply being given excessive publicity. Is it not clear that the issue of Islamic extremism is being raised solely to justify aggression against Muslim countries? Since no one is planning to wage war against Ireland yet, the activities of the IRA are not being highlighted in the news.
In general, events in the world resemble a new crusade, this time a Protestant one against Islam. Once again, questions of faith are used to cover up specific economic benefits.
By the way, today is the Pope's 80th birthday. And he is a spiritual leader, this old, senile man. And how can one accuse the USSR of the fact that Brezhnev was old after that?
In general, as a rule, people use religion to cover up their dishonest actions. This applies to

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Apple

4/16/2007 5:51 PM UTC

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Ganymed;83565

"Faith is the Asylum of every person." What a grand statement! I give it a virtual +:)

Indeed, what a wonderful expression! It's worthy of the Mosaic tablets! Especially regarding the word "every." I have many acquaintances who are not believers, and for them, atheism is simply a denial of God. Ignoring something cannot be faith because one can believe in something specific; faith relates to what exists, not what doesn't. Otherwise, it's just a verbal trick: "I believe that something doesn't exist = I don't believe that something exists." Now, about logic. Anyone who has studied philosophy knows that faith and logic are not antagonists. "Faith" relates to the concept of "worldview," i.e., a system of views on the world and a person's place in it (from a philosophy textbook). There are only a few basic worldviews: religious, theistic, atheistic, and something else, I don't remember. And a person chooses a worldview, not based on logic, but initially unconsciously, relying on their internal affinity for one or another worldview. Logic is a tool. It can serve any of the listed worldviews, relying on their fundamental principles.

Ganymed

4/17/2007 11:10 AM UTC

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Well, any faith is a denial of disbelief:) It already resembles scholasticism.
Atheists do not believe in God, but they believe in man and his abilities. And that is also a faith. Believers in God deny what atheists believe in – that is, in the self-sufficiency of human strength and abilities, without the help of "higher powers".
I agree that a person chooses a faith based on personal worldview preferences. And then "logical justification" for their faith is built around it.
So, is faith still a refuge for any person?

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Nowizard

4/17/2007 11:50 AM UTC

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Ganymed;83784

Those who believe in God deny what atheists believe in – that is, the self-sufficiency of a person's own strengths and abilities.

Who told you that?)) Man is created in God's image and likeness – this already implies enormous human potential. Humans have huge potential, allowing them to move mountains and redirect rivers! In Christianity, this is a given.

Бог есть любовь

LeSHiJ-MaX

4/17/2007 1:24 PM UTC

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I want to thank you for your honest and straightforward answers. Specifically, Silvanis and Berserk. I would like to boost your morale, but I don't have those badges.

P.S. Sorry that some grammar enthusiast jumped in out of topic. With RESPECT.

С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
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Ganymed

4/17/2007 8:53 PM UTC

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Nowizard;83816

Who told you that?)) Man is created in God's image and likeness – this already implies enormous human potential. Humans have huge potential, allowing them to move mountains and redirect rivers! In Christianity, this is a given.

I meant a slightly different aspect: believing exclusively in human capabilities, without God's help. This is the belief of atheists. As far as I understand, in Christianity, they believe somewhat differently.

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Nowizard

4/18/2007 7:51 AM UTC

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Ganymed;83894

I meant a slightly different aspect: believing solely in human capabilities, without God's help. This is the belief of atheists. As I understand it, Christians believe somewhat differently.

Then I apologize for misunderstanding your post. Yes, you are right, atheists do naively believe that they can manage without God.

Бог есть любовь

Kamikaze

4/18/2007 8:02 AM UTC

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I have many atheist acquaintances, and for them, atheism is simply the denial of God. Ignoring something cannot be faith, because one can only believe in something specific, as faith relates to what exists, not to what does not exist. Otherwise, it is just a verbal trick: I believe that something does not exist = I do not believe that something exists.

Dear Apple, your acquaintances deny, and ONLY deny, God. But they believe in something else, maybe the sun, maybe their mother, maybe vampires. They cannot believe in nothing – they would perish!
Ignoring cannot be faith, but it also cannot be all-encompassing; one cannot ignore EVERYTHING!

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Apple

4/18/2007 8:43 AM UTC

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Ganymed;83784

Well, any faith is a denial of disbelief:)

Faith, like a vector, is directed at its object, i.e., it carries a positive charge in its essence; it affirms, not denies. If, for a moment, we agree with you that, by affirming, one can indirectly deny something, then this is already a secondary phenomenon, like a shadow from an object, and to put them on the same plane is a logical error.

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Kamikaze;83944

Dear Apple, your acquaintances deny, and ONLY deny, God. But they believe in something else, maybe in the sun, maybe in their mother, maybe in vampires. They cannot believe in nothing - they would perish!
Ignoring cannot be faith, but it also cannot be all-encompassing; you cannot ignore EVERYTHING!

I'm not arguing with that. It's just that, according to Ganymed, the very disbelief in God is already some kind of Asylum.