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Phoenixes are the weakest. Even Ghost Dragons are stronger than Phoenixes; resurrection doesn't help them.

Phoenixes are the weakest. Even Ghost Dragons are stronger than Phoenixes; resurrection doesn't help them.

Come on, Ice Dragons are nobody's favorites.

Come on, what are you talking about? Ice Dragons are unbeatable.

I checked – Phoenixes lose.

I checked – Phoenixes lose.

maybe, but that's just my opinion.

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Good article, but I disagree about the equal strength of Dungeon and Titan – Titan loses in 9 out of 10 cases.

Good article, but I disagree about the equal strength of Dungeon and Titan – Titan loses in 9 out of 10 cases.

You're wrong... where did you get that statistic from? :confused:
When I checked, it turned out that Dungeon wins in approximately 65% of cases... but definitely not in 90%...

Sincerely.

Please provide more informative posts in this thread... otherwise, one-line variations on the theme of "I said so" will die out... If you say that someone is stronger, then according to what parameters, with whom did you compare, etc....

As for the topic, I've always been annoyed by the simple comparison of a hydra with other 7th-level monsters... It has a completely different focus... let them compare 5 hydras and 5 squads of 1 archangel each, I think the results will be different than 5 on 5...

Regarding the topic, I've always been annoyed by the simple comparison of a Hydra with other level 7 creatures... It has a completely different purpose... let them compare 5 Hydras and 5 squads of 1 Archangel each; I think the results will be different than 5 vs. 5...

Well... if we go down that road, then
firstly: in the initial assessment, the Hydra will still lose...
secondly, and most importantly: we will start comparing different combat tactics... but here, we are comparing the raw strength of the units...

Sincerely.

Good article, but I disagree about the equal strength of the Black Dragon and the Titan – the Titan loses in 9 out of 10 cases.

The Titan has the ability to shoot, while the Black Dragon doesn't, so the Black Dragon has increased stats in melee combat...

Well... if we go down this path, then:
firstly: in the initial assessment, the Hydra will still lose...
secondly, and most importantly: we will start comparing different combat tactics... but here, we are comparing the raw strength of the units...

Sincerely.

The issue isn't about combat tactics... people are just saying that it loses almost every duel and is therefore weak... But if you give it higher stats, then with its abilities, the Hydra will be a walking terror on the map... that's why it was weakened with its stats, but its abilities were enhanced...

Regarding Titans and CDs, I indicated what usually happened when I was testing monster strength (that was a long time ago; I would create two identical heroes in the editor—meaning class, skills, etc.—for different players, give each of them one of the creatures I was interested in, and play as both in hotseat). So, even though the Titan shoots, the CD manages to fly in before the shot and hits first + bonus damage to the Titan, and the Titan collapses in 2-3 turns, exactly one turn sooner than the CD (at least that's how it was in my experiments).

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Oh, actually, you shouldn't compare them purely 1 on 1, because the result here is quite predictable; instead, try at least armies from a 1-week growth in a fully built city. My opinion is ownable/undisputable (IMHO).

1000 vs 1000, let's compare and see who is stronger...

The issue isn't with the battle tactics... it's just that people say she loses almost every duel and is therefore weak... But if you give her higher stats, with her abilities, the Hydra would be a walking terror on the map... so they weakened her with stats but compensated with abilities...

Indeed, comparing 5 vs. 5 and 1 vs. 1 isn't entirely accurate. For example, Hydras and Dragons can attack two units, and Devils deal damage and don't take any in return, and Archangels can't use resurrection (in a 1 vs. 1 scenario). So, you need to compare them considering their abilities... or simply based on statistics.

Personally, I really like this topic. I like it because this question comes up very often, and it would be good to discuss it in one thread rather than in a dozen different ones.

I also want to note one thing: someone here noticed that a lot depends on the general (or something like that). This is certainly true, but it still wouldn't hurt to find out which units are stronger.

Now to the point: in a one-on-one fight, I am sure Archangels will defeat any other level 7 monster (the ones you can buy in the Castle).
To avoid speaking without evidence, I will provide a few calculations (if I made a mistake anywhere, I would be grateful if it were pointed out).

1) Archangel vs. Ancient Behemoth (probably the most frequent claim I've encountered is that the Ancient Behemoth beats the Archangel 1 on 1).

Assumptions:
1) No one gets a Luck proc during the fight (damage boost).
2) No one gets a Morale proc during the fight (extra turn or skipped turn).
Since the Archangel has +1 Morale, the second assumption favors the Ancient Behemoth in the calculation.

Damage the Archangel deals per hit: 50 (base) + 11 (difference between Archangel's attack and Ancient Behemoth's defense) * 2.5 (5% of the base 50hp damage per 1 point of attack superiority) = 77.5, rounding down gives 77.

Damage the Ancient Behemoth deals per hit: 50 (base, taking the maximum, although it could be less) + 13 (difference between Ancient Behemoth's attack and Archangel's defense, taking into account the Archangel's 80% defense reduction) * 2.5 (5% of the base 50hp damage per 1 point of attack superiority) = 82.5, rounding up (I rounded the Archangels down!!!) gives 83.

Turn 1: Archangel waits. Ancient Behemoth either moves to maximum distance (or not maximum, it doesn't matter). Archangel hits for 77hp, Ancient Behemoth responds for 83 (Status: Archangel 167 health, Ancient Behemoth 223).
Turn 2: Archangel hits for 77hp, Ancient Behemoth responds for 83 (Status: Archangel 84 health, Ancient Behemoth 146). Ancient Behemoth hits for 83 health, Archangel responds for 77 (Status: Archangel 1 health, Ancient Behemoth 69).
Turn 3: Archangel hits for 77 hp, killing the Ancient Behemoth.

As you can see, even in the best-case scenario for the Ancient Behemoth, the Archangel wins.

2) Archangel vs. Archdevil (I saw a claim that the Archdevil would win with its no-retaliation ability).

Assumptions are the same as in the first calculation.

Damage the Archangel deals per hit: 50 (base) + 2 (difference between Archangel's attack and Archdevil's defense) * 2.5 (5% of the base 50hp damage per 1 point of attack superiority), then multiply all this by 1.5 (hatred for Archdevils) and we get 82.5, rounding to 82.

Damage the Archdevil deals per hit: 40 (base, taking the maximum, although it could be less) - 4 (difference between Archdevil's attack and Archangel's defense) * 0.8 (2% of the base 40hp damage per 1 point of defense superiority), then multiply all this by 1.5 (hatred for Archangels) and we get 55.2, rounding to 56 (again, unlike the Archangel case, rounding up).

Turn 1: Archangel hits for 82hp, Archdevil responds for 56 (Status: Archangel 194 health, Archdevil 118).
Archdevil hits for 56hp (Status: Archangel 138 health, Archdevil 118).
Turn 2: Archangel hits for 82hp, Archdevil responds for 56 (Status: Archangel 82 health, Archdevil 36).
Archdevil hits for 56hp (Status: Archangel 26 health, Archdevil 36).
Turn 3: Archangel hits for 82hp, Archdevil dies.
As you can see, even in the best-case scenario for the Archdevil, the Archangel wins.

3) Archangel vs. Titan

Assumptions are the same as in the first calculation.

Damage the Archangel deals per hit: 50 (base) + 6 (difference between Archangel's attack and Titan's defense) * 2.5 (5% of the base 50hp damage per 1 point of attack superiority) = 65.

Damage the Titan deals per hit: 60 (base, taking the maximum, although it could be less) - 6 (difference between Titan's attack and Archangel's defense) * 1.2 (2% of the base 60hp damage per 1 point of defense superiority) = 52.8, rounding up!!! gives 53.

Turn 1: Archangel hits for 65hp, Titan (Status: Archangel 197 health, Titan 235).
Titan hits for 53hp, Archangel responds for 65 (Status: Archangel 144 health, Titan 170).
Turn 2: Archangel hits for 65hp, Titan (Status: Archangel 91 health, Titan 105).
Titan hits for 53hp, Archangel responds for 65 (Status: Archangel 38 health, Titan 40).
Turn 3: By dealing 65 damage, the Archangel wins.
And again, despite the Titan fighting with ideal damage, the Archangel won.

I see no point in calculating the fight with the Azure Dragon, because although its defense and attack are 1 higher than the Titans', its max damage is only 50.

Now on the reasons for victory:
Despite the Archangel having 250 health, it gets an extra hit (minimum 50 health) due to its speed. Also, its defense and attack stats are better than those of other units

Wow! hobo, you're amazing! That's how you should answer a question! You did a great job! Respect to you:smile02: