Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. — Tournament Committee

Pyre

7/10/2015 5:05 AM UTC

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A problem occurred during a season game with banana on Jebus, at 142 Facebook. There was a desynchronization. I won the battle, and I was left with 17 Vivians and 7 Thunderbirds. I passed the turn, and the transfer froze at 80%. I wrote to my opponent, and he said that he almost killed me and could send a screenshot. Then it turned out that he couldn't take a screenshot because the game crashed. Okay. We decided to replay the battle. We loaded his autosave, I replayed the entire turn, and saved before the battle. We fought again, and there was another desynchronization. The game froze during his Cyclops' turn. I showed him this on TV. The opponent showed me his Heroes screen, and the battle had ended for him, even though both heroes were standing still on the Facebook, and the Heroes screen was darkened (as if the battle hadn't ended, but the window was just hidden). I'm asking for a judgment on what happened in this game. I'm ready to provide the saves, password, and ICQ log (only to the judges and members of the Arbitration Committee). Write to ICQ 451561693.

Только в тишине ответит вселенная, только в наших сердцах мы обретем смелость следовать её зову. ;)

zoog

7/10/2015 5:29 AM UTC

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[off]So what can the AI do about a software bug? Create similar heroes in the editor and have them fight each other.[/off]

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Pyre

7/10/2015 5:56 AM UTC

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zoog

[off]So what will AK do about a software bug? Create the same heroes in the editor and fight them.[/off]

Personally, I'm not sure if this is a software bug.

Только в тишине ответит вселенная, только в наших сердцах мы обретем смелость следовать её зову. ;)

KobRa_RR

7/10/2015 6:28 AM UTC

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Therefore, take screenshots, especially for Facebook, to prove your point!
Those who don't have a screenshot can just go away...)) And in this case, it seems simpler to award the victory to me.

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Pyre

7/10/2015 6:34 AM UTC

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KobRa_RR

That's why you should take screenshots, especially on Facebook, to prove your point!
Those who don't have a screenshot can just go away...)) And in this case, it seems easier to just award the victory to me.

You can take a screenshot at different points during the Facebook battle, and who will believe that the freeze actually happened in the specific place where the screenshot was taken? And if a real desynchronization occurred, there will simply be 2 different screenshots. What's the point?

Только в тишине ответит вселенная, только в наших сердцах мы обретем смелость следовать её зову. ;)

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KobRa_RR

7/10/2015 6:43 AM UTC

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Pyre

You can take a screenshot at different points during the battle, and who will believe that it froze exactly at the spot where the screenshot was taken. And if a real desynchronization occurred, there will just be 2 different screenshots. What's the point?

The point is:
firstly, it shows the progress of the battle (which is why streamers with video recordings will always have an advantage)
secondly, if you prove your words, and your opponent doesn't, it's easier for the judges to make a decision
thirdly, send the saves to Baratortch, maybe he'll find something
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If it is impossible to continue the game, there is only one way out - awarding the victory, so the judges will be guided by all the materials that the participants provide.

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P.S. No, there is another option: disband the troops, etc., and continue the game, but this is a very laborious option, especially if large armies were fighting, and the desynchronization occurred somewhere at the beginning of the battle. There is another important point here! to track at what stage the bug occurred - that's another reason why screenshots are needed

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Dirty_Player

7/10/2015 7:15 AM UTC

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This isn't a bug, but rather a common desynchronization issue. Baratorch won't help here. Most often, each player sees the opponent's turn, but sometimes the battle ends with different results for each player. This can happen due to a poor connection (internet) or different versions of the game.

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Pyre

7/10/2015 7:19 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

This isn't a bug, but rather a common desynchronization issue. A better connection won't help here. Most often, it happens that each player sees the opponent's turn, but sometimes the battle ends with different results for each player. This can occur due to a poor connection (internet) or different versions of the game.

Dirty, I sent you the save files via ICQ; please take a look and see if you can find anything. It's a bit strange that the desynchronization happened twice in a row. If everything seems normal, then a decision on the winner needs to be made.

Только в тишине ответит вселенная, только в наших сердцах мы обретем смелость следовать её зову. ;)

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Dirty_Player

7/10/2015 7:33 AM UTC

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Pyre

I sent you the save files in ICQ, please take a look, maybe you'll find something.

I'll look at them tonight or tomorrow morning.

Pyre

it's strange that the desynchronization happened twice in a row. But if everything is fine, then the victory should be awarded.

There's nothing strange about it. If desynchronization occurred once, it will happen again, and again.

Option 1: Compare the versions of Heroes (ideally, use the same one). Often, someone has a SOD version that is not 3.2, but 3.1 or 3.0.
Option 2: If you are playing through Hamachi, try using TeamViewer (Hamachi can sometimes glitch).

Another option to solve the problem: You can create a game with someone you have a good connection with (ideally, a judge), they launch TeamViewer, and your opponent connects and clicks through the moves using remote control. This option will definitely help, but it's not ideal; we need to find a way to solve the problem.

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Pyre

7/10/2015 7:42 AM UTC

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Option. Compare the heroes' versions (ideally use the same one). Often someone has SoD 3.1 or 3.0 instead of 3.2.
Option 2. If you are playing via Hamachi, try via TV (Hamachi can glitch sometimes)

A person shat all over me in ICQ regarding this situation, and I have no desire to communicate with him further.

Только в тишине ответит вселенная, только в наших сердцах мы обретем смелость следовать её зову. ;)

banana

7/10/2015 11:39 AM UTC

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It's surprising that I won both battles, even though my main stack skipped its turn without its action being displayed in the battle log. I've never seen anything like this before.

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Pyre

This person insulted me in ICQ regarding this situation, and I no longer want to communicate with him.

Likewise, I regret playing with him.

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u2noob

7/10/2015 2:07 PM UTC

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banana

It's amazing that I won both battles, even though my main stack skipped its turn without showing its action in the battle log. I've never seen anything like this before.

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Likewise, I've never had any issues with Pyre; all the games went smoothly.

As for me, I've never had any questions about Pyre; all the games went smoothly.

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banana

7/10/2015 4:42 PM UTC

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u2noob

I, on the other hand, have never had any questions about Pyre; I completed all the games without any problems.

I'm glad for you, but I had a different experience.

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Dirty_Player

7/10/2015 6:31 PM UTC

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banana

It's surprising that I won both battles, even though my main stack skipped its turn without its action being displayed in the battle log.

I already wrote that it's quite possible that different players will have different battle outcomes due to desynchronization.

Make it a habit: if any disconnection occurs, especially in battle, and even more so in the final, IMMEDIATELY TAKE A SCREENSHOT so you can prove your case if necessary.

banana

I've never seen anything like this before.

Just because you're seeing something for the first time doesn't mean it can't happen; you should IMMEDIATELY contact the judges instead of badmouthing your opponent. (This applies to everyone).

P.S. I'll take a look at the saves, but I don't think it will help.