Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. — Tournament Committee

Hiwanna

11 years ago

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scorp

Well, I didn't find any prohibition against cheating in the current version of the rules, but something tells me that even without this point, anyone will be disqualified for cheating (and there is no such point in the rules) - or am I wrong, and they will leave the win to the cheater?!

In your opinion, according to the current rules, did you win fairly?

Even though I wasn't asked, according to the CURRENT rules, it is simply impossible to win more fairly than I did.

LeBron

11 years ago

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As far as I remember, everyone always knew about this bug and used it whenever possible; there were never any problems. I always wanted to use it myself, but the situation never presented itself. The AK's solution isn't very clear.

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Aiwe

11 years ago

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LeBron

As far as I remember, everyone always knew about this bug and used it when possible; there were never any problems. I always wanted to use it myself, but the situation never presented itself. The AK's decision isn't very clear.

I agree.
But I suspect that the problem lies with Redway: he always has bad luck :D

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scorp

11 years ago

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Redwhait HP

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Fair play
The most important point: players must play fairly and respect each other.
- It is forbidden to use cheat codes during the game, programs that are not allowed for use, and bugs that arise as a result of using additional programs and files.

I have not violated any of these points! So why should I replay the game, and on what grounds was such a decision made? No one has explained this to me yet.

Well, at least they didn't remove the point about cheating; I scrolled through it a couple of times and didn't notice.

LeBron

As far as I remember, everyone has always known about this bug and used it when possible; there were never any problems. I always wanted to use it myself, but the situation never presented itself. The decision of the AC is not very clear.

In order not to encourage such actions in the future (searching for obvious bugs), they immediately showed that it is not worth looking for tricks; play "adequately and fairly" (I am in favor of such a decision)

Iamsamstan

11 years ago

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using any bug is fine until it's used against you, remember that).

The_

11 years ago

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Did someone just randomly decide to punish you with a replay because of cucumbers? How can you punish someone (with a replay) for not breaking any rules, but simply acting within the rules that were in place at the time of the game?
I understand that it's frustrating, and I agree that using the Admiral's Hat is a bug that should be banned. But as was correctly pointed out, many people knew about it and used it; will you punish them too? That would be logical.
This is complete absurdity.

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злой_романтик

11 years ago

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The_

Did you, by any chance, get upset because someone used cucumbers in a salad? How can you punish a person (by replaying the game) for doing absolutely nothing wrong, but simply acting within the rules that were in effect at the time of the game?
I understand that it's frustrating, and I agree that using the Admiral's Hat is a bug that should be banned. But as was rightly pointed out, many people knew about it and used it; will you punish them too? That would be logical.
This is utter absurdity.

We will punish... but first, provide an example of opponents who violated the rules and filed a complaint with the judges or the arbitration committee. If people were okay with being beaten this way, that's their right.

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wowa

11 years ago

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The_

...he didn't break any rules, but simply acted within the rules applicable at the time of the game?

I found this topic too late, after I had already posted in the tournament thread.
Too bad.
But now the position is clear, i.e., someone seriously believes that it was permissible to act in this way.

So, the question is: is there any mention in the rules that you cannot watch/listen to your opponent's stream? And if there is no such mention, what does that mean – that you can watch it, and it's within the rules? But it's obviously not allowed!

How is this "lag bug," pardon me, any better than peeking at your opponent's stream? In my opinion, it's worse because it can't be countered by anything, not even brilliant gameplay combined with incredible luck and divine intuition.

And the argument that "it's not explicitly stated in the rules" is no longer valid in this analogy.

There's just a general consensus about streams, and everyone respects it.
But here, there are just some childish excuses.
So, I will definitely watch and report the streams of everyone who defended Reddit, until it is explicitly prohibited in the rules.)))))

LeBron

11 years ago

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Vova, for me, the difference between using a WELL-KNOWN bug and clearly unfair gameplay while watching a stream is absolutely obvious. I'm looking at it from the perspective that I would 100% use the bug if I had the opportunity, just like the AOTD+KSH bug, Berserker, Ballista, and any other bug. (And why aren't they critical!?) And such a decision by the AC would upset me and would most likely lead to disqualification from the tournament and a complete rejection of the AC as a regulatory body. In general, the situation is exactly the same as in the memorable 2v2 game, when the eternal Berserker destroyed Hel. Although, it should be acknowledged that far fewer people knew about that Berserker than about the Hat, and then the outrage could be understood.

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scorp

11 years ago

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LeBron

... for me, the difference between using a WELL-KNOWN bug and clearly unfair gameplay while watching a stream is absolutely obvious.
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I agree with Vova that I also heard about this bug, but I didn't even think about even finding out how to implement it.

Vinceras

11 years ago

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I don't understand how the word "bug" can be applied to such things. To claim the entire map in a single turn and then refer to some rules is simply disrespectful to the game itself and to the players.

KobRa_RR

11 years ago

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Using such bugs ruins the game! Victory is victory, but not at any cost... there should also be respect and fair play.

Piterius

11 years ago

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For some reason, it seems to me, or rather, I sincerely hope, that all defenders of the bug and Red understand that using a bug is not fair, but due to alleged discrepancies in the rules, they believe Red is right. It's a real problem if someone thinks it's acceptable and even necessary to use it. I would like to sort this out and am even willing to organize a poll to identify all the witnesses of the sect of great winners.

Dark30

11 years ago

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You keep repeating the same thing, it's been said a hundred times already. Most people are not against banning speed-up abilities (SHA) and the bug associated with it. The question is about THIS specific situation: does it mean that what's allowed for one person is not allowed for another? If Reddit had used SHA first, everyone would have agreed, but no, others used it before, and no one had any questions. It's THIS that's bothering those you're trying to criticize.

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Piterius

11 years ago

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Dark30

You keep repeating the same thing; it's been said a hundred times. Most people aren't against banning speed-hacking (SH) and the bug associated with it. The question is about THIS specific situation: is it okay for one person but not for another? If Reddit had used SH first, everyone would agree, but since others used it before, and there were no issues, that's what's causing the uproar among those you're trying to criticize.

There were no issues because there were no appeals to the Arbitration Committee (AK). This has already been said at least three times. If it was "swept under the rug" under certain circumstances in the past, that's no longer the case.
Regarding the "said a hundred times" part, either quote 100 posts here, thereby correcting your "blabbermouth" status, or adjust your post according to specific statistics.
And also, I'm not TRYING to criticize anyone; I've ALREADY criticized them. If you DIDN'T understand, go to a private message, and I'll explain it more specifically, although I'm not sure how much more specific I can be.

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