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In the previous discussion about Maydak's use of this bug, the judges' opinion was that it was a permissible bug.

Therefore, this is a matter for the judges, and not for Redwait at all.

And who considers Berger to be someone who talks nonsense?
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In the previous discussion about Maydak's use of this bug, the judges' opinion was that it was a permitted bug.

If it's a permitted bug, then what's the point of this conversation?
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The rules don't prohibit using a hat, so why are there any disputes?

2.13. Bugs:
2.13.1. It is forbidden for the Artifact Merchant in the Castle, Conflux, and Dungeon to sell Artifacts or Magic Scrolls at prices that do not correspond to their actual price.
2.13.2. It is forbidden to use the bug of viewing an opponent's hero.
2.13.3. It is forbidden to use a hero without an army (there must be at least one unit in the army). Before dismissing, you can take the entire army.
2.14. Actions that are not prohibited/restricted by these rules are permitted.

From a moral standpoint (I would be upset too, but I accepted it as a given), maybe the action wasn't very correct, but in any sport, they'll tell you that 3 points don't smell.

Whether or not to ban the hat, let the AC decide. But if they decide to ban it, let them also ban sea artifacts programmatically.
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As a viewer, I'm puzzled why Redwhite didn't receive at least a temporary ban, and at most, a temporary ban plus a warning for this incident. It was an obvious exploit that was used intentionally. The fact that Nitro surrendered also surprises me – in my opinion, a save should have been made, and a judge should have been called to resolve this issue.

Viewers, and probably many participants, are unaware that this is allowed, and there shouldn't be any questions or complaints about Redwhite. However, personally, I believe that such bugs should be prohibited, but that would require convincing Dirty, as I understand he's in charge of the rules, as he is with many other things here.
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Roger-ua
In the previous discussion about Maydak's use of this bug, the judges' opinion was that it was a permissible bug.

Therefore, this is a matter for the judges, and not for Redwait.
Now, the appeal was not to the judges, but to the Arbitration Committee (AK). The topic has been raised in the appropriate section, and we will decide, and I think that as a result, a corresponding clause will appear in the rules.
I ask the hosts not to post the result of this match until the AK makes a decision.
Dima Surmay
And personally, I believe that such bugs should be prohibited, but this requires convincing Dirty, as I understand that he is in charge of the rules, as he is with many other things here.
Does Kostya know that he "is in charge of the rules"? :D
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I ask the commentators not to post the result of this match until the Tournament Committee makes a decision.
Are laws now retroactive? :D

P.S. Roma, what will you forgive these poor commentators for?
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Does Kostya know that he "oversees the rules"? :D

Maybe I'm wrong, then it's Pete, or they both discuss and Pete changes them, sometimes the rules change without any discussion or voting on the forum. I just asked Dirty several times why it's like that in the rules, and he replied that he thinks it should be that way, so I thought he decides which version will be used.
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Are laws now retroactive? :D

P.S. Roma, what will you forgive these poor hosts for?
How can you not forgive such hosts? I forgive everything, and even in advance :D
As for the law, there's nothing clearly stated about this in the laws, so I think the rules will be supplemented with one more point in a few days.;)
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How can you not forgive such leading players? I forgive everything in advance :D
And regarding the rules – there's nothing specific about this in the current rules, so I think in a few days, the rules will be updated with one more point. ;)

Who will add this point, i.e., who has the right to do it? I remember reading that a vote is needed to change the rules.
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Who can add to this point, i.e., who has the right to do so? I remember reading that a vote is needed to change the rules.
Pit will add to it, although it could also be Dirty, after discussion and a vote in the Arbitration Committee.
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As for the law – there’s nothing specifically stated about this in the laws, so I think the rules will be supplemented with one more point in a few days.;)
At the same time, general jurisprudence will be enriched with several terms :D

According to paragraph 2 of Article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, “no one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one which was applicable at the time when the penal offence was committed”
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На ощупь пьют эльфийские стрелки!
Нам это идеально подходит (c)
Это вам не шутки - нажрался Дуст в маршрутке! (с)
Пишите на udd@otso.city
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At the same time, general jurisprudence will be enriched with a few terms :D

According to paragraph 2 of Article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, “no one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one which was applicable at the time when the penal offence was committed”
Dima, what kind of Readme bit you? :D
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As for the rules, there's nothing specific about this in the current rules, so I think they'll add another point in a few days.;)
I think Duty knew about this and didn't ban it, which means he allowed it. It's simple.
If it were a new feature, then yes.

P.s. Maybe they overlooked it, but the chance is small.
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From Red's side, it was a deliberate use of a bug. Forgive me, Redwyne, but the fundamental rule of fair play comes into play here. Having, let's say, an infinite number of movement points is a bug, and having +1000 movement points is definitely exploiting a bug. On the other hand, it's "sort of" not described in the rules, which is why it seems that penalizing Red by the organizers and judges would be inappropriate. Therefore, there are two options: either allow a complete replay of the game, or award the victory based on the save from before the bug was used.

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I think Duty knew about it and didn't forbid it, which means he allowed it. It's simple.
If it were a new feature, then yes.

P.s. Maybe they overlooked it, but the chance is small.
Yegor, what would your reaction be in a tournament game if your opponent exploited a bug to have an infinite number of movement points and, in one turn, consumed everything and killed you?!

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Ban the use of this feature in tournaments, but leave it available for fun games. After all, it adds to the spectacle and also provides an opportunity for role-playing.
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