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Registered: 10/25/2006 4:23 PM UTC

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3/29/2007 5:20 PM UTC #37

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I really like AoW... and the fact that there are so many factions is also a plus. Balance is only important for multiplayer; and even then, not always. You could create something along the lines of having, say, three strong factions, three average ones, and three weak ones. And players would take that into account.

I know it's a terrible idea.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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3/29/2007 6:48 PM UTC #38

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Sylvan, and the game will immediately be flooded with players. In any match, some will choose a strong faction, and others a weaker one, which creates imbalance – a fatal flaw for the game – and ultimately leads to the game's demise at the hands of fans. Do we need that? It's better to have 8 (or 9) factions and perfect balance.

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

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3/29/2007 7:12 PM UTC #39

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That’s exactly what I’m saying – the idea is brilliant… But the point here would be the same as with the “handicapped” option in Heroes II – a skilled player chooses a weak faction, and so on.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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Registered: 8/25/2006 10:41 AM UTC

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3/29/2007 7:40 PM UTC #40

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In my opinion, the number of factions should be such that the ratio of diversity to balance is optimal. This is somewhere between 10 and 15 factions.

The worldview can also be diversified (although I don't see much point in it). A race of angels might want to make the world a better place, a race of dwarves might only want to protect their borders, and a race of Chinese might want to conquer the world.

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Registered: 11/25/2006 9:02 PM UTC

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3/29/2007 7:43 PM UTC #41

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Well... for such a good game, it's better to have more factions – definitely not fewer than 10, but no more than 14. Because you can come up with 14 different factions – after that, they'll just be clones or inferior copies. But if everything is done with enthusiasm and love, the game will be simply amazing!

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Registered: 12/10/2006 12:52 PM UTC

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3/30/2007 3:57 AM UTC #42

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You can come up with as many fully-fledged factions as you like (although after 20, it becomes quite difficult)! The main thing is to make each faction very balanced!

Otherwise, someone might not like the characteristics of their nation and declare a jihad on the developers. In Civ4, they even made all religions absolutely identical for the sake of political correctness.

Well, the Greeks haven't declared anything on anyone, and neither have the Europeans, even though their folklore is in every other game.;) :D
About the identical religions in Civ - it's bad. Why choose then?:rolleyes: :smile01: :confused:

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Registered: 1/31/2007 8:28 PM UTC

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3/30/2007 6:59 AM UTC #43

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20!!!! 30!!! 40!!!!!
THE MORE, THE BETTER!!!

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Registered: 2/25/2006 7:11 AM UTC

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3/30/2007 7:08 AM UTC #44

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20!!!! 30!!! 40!!!!!
THE MORE, THE BETTER!!!

"-And which faction do you play as?"
"-Haven number 32, of course!"
"-Is that the one where the peasants have a scroll of Armageddon instead of a bottle on their side?"
"-No, that's Haven 89, my faction's paladins have horns growing on their heads"

This is a typical conversation among fans of Heroes 10, which will feature hundreds of "different" factions:)

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Registered: 8/1/2006 11:14 PM UTC

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3/30/2007 7:17 AM UTC #45

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No, 50 races is too much, especially considering the amount of time it would take to develop them. The most important thing is to have a good balance! :)

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3/30/2007 7:20 AM UTC #46

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No, 50 units is too much, especially considering the amount of time it would take to develop them. The most important thing is to maintain balance! :)

Exactly, but the balance should be more... hmm... balanced (?:D :D :D :D :D ), and there shouldn't be too many units.

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Registered: 2/21/2007 11:41 AM UTC

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3/30/2007 7:23 AM UTC #47

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Having identical religions in Civ is bad. What's the point of choosing then?:rolleyes: :smile01: :confused:

It would take a long time to explain. Religion has a significant impact in the game. See any Civ forum. But this is a forum for Heroes.

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Registered: 1/23/2007 8:22 AM UTC

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3/30/2007 7:30 AM UTC #48

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Come on, does it really matter how many races you want?
The developers definitely won't make more than 9 races, that's for sure. :D
(And my opinion is that it doesn't matter how many races there are, the main thing is that there is balance, and no matter what super-powerful and overpowered races they come up with, and no matter how much they nerf the Necropolis, they will always remain my favorites!):D :smile24:

Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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3/30/2007 7:33 AM UTC #49

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well... let's say at least 20... because it's not interesting =(((

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3/30/2007 9:37 AM UTC #50

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Well... let's say at least 20... because it's not interesting =(((

It is interesting, but Nival won't be able to come up with 20 truly different and worthwhile factions – after 15, the factions will likely be clones or poorly made ones, as it's very difficult to come up with something truly original:cool:.

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3/30/2007 10:03 AM UTC #51

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It's challenging, but possible. The more, the better. It will provide food for thought. Is no one interested in developing tactics for different factions?
Probably, I'm the only one...:smile32:
And in general, diversity is always better than uniformity.