Your morality. — Philosophy

Silvanis

3/27/2007 3:35 PM UTC

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Well... if I had lived and grown up in that era, and especially if I had joined the crusaders, and I was already fed up with these Muslims and their underhanded – from the knights' point of view – combat tactics, and the heat was getting to me, I would have killed them all, but I would have taken the young women for myself and "distributed" them to my warriors for their enjoyment (that is, I would have done what all warriors did back then); moreover, children only began to be recognized as distinct beings around the 18th century; before that, they were simply seen as small adults – they worked around the house, helped adults, and during a siege, they threw various nasty things at the enemy along with the women, so they were essentially small adults back then. But if I were suddenly transported through time and held a relatively high position among the crusaders (that is, if I acted as I have grown up to be here), I would spare not only the boy but ALL the other prisoners; and when more important crusaders pressured me, I would appeal to their better nature. What would come of it, I don't know for sure, but in our time, it usually works

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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AlexeyPank

3/27/2007 3:50 PM UTC

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Back then, it wouldn't have worked. They would have burned you at the stake for saying that Muslims are also people.

Мы спасемся? Я не знаю. Верьте...
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Silvanis

3/27/2007 3:56 PM UTC

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Perhaps. So, it would have been a waste. In my opinion... how can I put it... there are just some things that if you don't do, there's simply no point in living. That's all.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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AlexeyPank

3/27/2007 4:25 PM UTC

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I don't know. If you die, you definitely won't be able to do anything else. It's easy to strike a heroic pose and act bravely, but you should also think about your future. Maybe you shouldn't have saved that foreign boy, but instead looked for another path in your life.

Мы спасемся? Я не знаю. Верьте...
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Silvanis

3/27/2007 4:33 PM UTC

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That's exactly what I'm talking about – the path in life. I choose a path where failing to save these prisoners would be equivalent to deviating from that path...

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AlexeyPank;78578

It's easy to strike a beautiful pose and play the hero.

Not really. Usually, people can't manage it.

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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Nowizard

3/27/2007 6:02 PM UTC

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AlexeyPank;78554

What a discussion ensued. And all we asked was to answer a simple question. And the answer can only be unambiguous.
And, by the way, for Muslims, only pagans are considered "infidels," Christians are not included.

I didn't know that, it's quite interesting. Maybe it's because Christians also have one God? But either way, Catholics have long publicly apologized and repented for the evil deeds of their ancestors. There's no need to keep bringing it up now. I agree with Sylvanius 10000000%:smile20:

Бог есть любовь

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Silvanis

3/27/2007 6:21 PM UTC

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Nowizard;78592

I completely agree with Silvanis:smile20: He always expresses the smartest and most objective point of view.

Thank you:o

Nowizard;78592

I didn't know that, it's quite interesting. Maybe it's because Christians also have one God?

As far as I know, almost. The thing is, Christians (and Jews) revere the Bible – especially the Old Testament, which seems to be particularly important – and Muslims generally respect it as well; that's why Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" by them. Muslims have six other prophets besides Muhammad, five of whom are directly related to the Bible (these are just some of the biblical characters), and one is Alexander the Great (:smile11: - that surprised me when I found out he's considered a prophet). The most powerful and revered prophet after Muhammad is Jesus (!).

Interestingly, in the Middle Ages, during the Crusades, a kind of popular "definition" of Christians was something like: "they believe in one God and eat pork."
The common people never delved too deeply into theological subtleties:D

С Пути сбивают мелкие достижения, а изощрённые суждения скрывают смысл слов. И вот уже возникают "правильное" и "неправильное"...
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Nowizard

3/27/2007 6:41 PM UTC

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Silvanis;78596

Thank you:o

As far as I know, almost:) The thing is that Christians (and Jews) revere the Bible - especially the Old Testament, which is important, I think - and Muslims also respect it; that's why Jews and Christians turned out to be "people of the book" for them. Muslims have six prophets besides Muhammad, five of whom are directly related to the Bible (these are just some of the biblical characters), and one is Alexander the Great (:smile11: - that was a surprise for me when I found out that he is considered a prophet). The most powerful and revered prophet after Muhammad is Jesus (!).

What's funny is that in the Middle Ages, during the Crusades, a kind of popular "definition" of Christians was approximately: "they believe in one God and eat pork."
The common people never delved too deeply into theological subtleties:D

Just think about it!:eek: I'm amazed:smile07: Well, never mind, we've strayed from the topic. There's a special topic for such things;)

Бог есть любовь

Freud

7/15/2008 4:01 PM UTC

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I wouldn't kill him. I don't have the guts.

Любовь и атомное оружие, братья, любовь и атомное оружие.

Ivanhoj

7/21/2008 11:03 AM UTC

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This is all very interesting. But here's an example from our time.
At a bus stop, behind a pavilion, two thugs were raping a girl.
None of the people standing in the pavilion did ANYTHING.
Also, at a subway station, a girl lost consciousness and fell under the last carriage of a train. Two girls passing by indifferently watched as the train started moving, then approached and curiously looked over the edge of the platform before quickly leaving.
And how many people die on the street from a heart attack, not waiting for help? Recently, they reported about one such case – because the deceased was an officer with combat awards. People walked past a decently dressed man lying helplessly on the ground.
Are we heroes only in words, or are there no heroes at the right time and in the right place?

Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.

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Imaris

8/1/2008 3:13 PM UTC

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I would try to sneak him out so that no one would have any problems. Or, if they are malicious sinners, then let them have problems. But if there's no other way, I'll free the child and have to run away myself(( or I'll come up with some kind of ruse, like the child outsmarted me, which would be funny)):D But in general, if I know the commander well and know how to negotiate with him, I'll free him openly...

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