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#5816
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No, I'm talking about a game with heart and soul. When we completely blocked half the city in 3 turns and ran out of mana, and still won decisively.
I don't remember what exactly was in it, but I remember that in Mafia, you got hit with a Night Kill from the Doctor, then another Mafia faction decided to mess with you and took away your vote, and then a Serial Killer used you for their dirty purposes.
А, вот почему.

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#5817
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Drakkoska
It's all simple. Sesama outlined the plans in the last game. And in the case of a hanging world and mafia, the plans differed.
Well, it's all simple, these plans led to the total exposure of player roles in the newspapers, + the semaphore of peacefulness and roles. Basically, everyone already had a roughly 90 percent idea of what was going on, and of course, the town decided to make a plan to optimize the situation. In the light classic, I did the same. In games where the tactic was to expose everything completely, the mafia simply had nowhere to hide. The murky zone of exposed peaceful residents without night defense was relentlessly blocked, checked, and hanged. And I won't say that I'm thrilled with this tactic, but it was what it was.
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#5818
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Well, it's all quite simple; these plans arose from the complete exposure of the roles and players in the newspapers, plus the "peaceful" semaphore signals and roles.
We, as GMs, mostly write newspapers like that; for example, Revny simply has a more elaborate description of the NDs and the roles of the corpses, but the principle of writing the newspaper is not different. You can experiment with newspapers where nothing is clear to anyone, but it's unlikely that this idea will be popular.
I'm not against experiments, but I don't like things that are too extreme, and I frankly like some of the features of our mafia more than the proposed alternatives.
In the end, we're not running to your MF and imposing democracy
А, вот почему.

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#5819
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I also liked the local spirit of the mafia here, and I wouldn't want too many drastic changes. Although a separate topic for voting would definitely be a good addition.
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#5820
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Drakkoshka
Well, almost all our Mage Guilds write newspapers like that; Revnya just has a more ornate description of ND and the roles of corpses, but the principle of writing the newspaper is no different. You could experiment with newspapers where absolutely nothing is clear to anyone, but it's unlikely that idea would be in demand.
I'm not against experiments, but I don't like things that are too desperate, and I frankly like a number of features of our mafia more than the proposed alternatives.
After all, we aren't rushing over to your MF to impose democracy friendship-magic our rules.
Why is it not clear? You have the ND results, you have the newspapers; a lot can be understood without such obvious leaking. On the contrary, I didn't quite understand the point of playing a game where the Mage Guild provides everything on a silver platter. Instead of trying to push through a peaceful player, I was hanging the mafia, only because there was no other way out, for example; essentially, the "bad guys" were completely tied hand and foot by all this.
I see only two obvious opponents here: you and Yashchur. And as for "not rushing," well, you didn't even play there. I played a game and a half with you )) the first one doesn't count. Yes, I gave it my best effort, but I'm saying what I noticed. Some things would be good to fix with experiments; if people like it, then great, if not, then not. But honestly, I see no reason not to suggest what I've noticed.
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#5821
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mika
I don't want to be rude, but please don't speak for the ENTIRE forum. Please write to ME; these rules don't suit ME, and I am used to different rules.
No, my friend.:p The existing rules (and the "quiet hours" at night in particular) were created to suit the current balance. If something is to be done about the "quiet hours" that you dislike so much, then something must definitely be done about the balance as well. I would really not want the balance to be adjusted in a way that leads to "blind" gameplay. Feel free to make the maps more complex, but not to the point of making the game "blind." Because I love "blind" games just as much as you love "quiet nights."
mika
in the end, no one is forcing you to play those maps that you don't want to play.
That's not a problem. I'm just worried that all the GMs will start creating "blind" games, and I'll have nothing left to play.:(

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#5823
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mika
Instead of trying to force a peaceful outcome against the Mafia, I did it only because there was no other option.
I'm sure if the Wizard hadn't skipped his turn, things would have been different. ;) And Alex's reveal in the newspaper was a bit too obvious. That's probably the only thing he shouldn't have done... However, the set was left untouched for quite a while, and we didn't notice - no one is to blame.

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#5824
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I won’t be making blind games anymore! I enjoy vividly describing who played what role. Especially when at night there happens to be a bloody mess with the participation of half the players – yum.
А, вот почему.

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#5825
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Evil Lizard
No, my dear.:p The existing rules (and the "silence" at night in particular) were created to suit the current balance. If something is to be done with this "silence" that you dislike so much, then something must definitely be done with the balance as well. I would really not want the balance to be adjusted in the direction of blindness in the game. Making the game more complex is fine, but not by making it a blind game. Because I love blind games just as much as you love silent nights.;)
No problem. I'm just worried that all the GMs will start creating blind games, and I'll be left with nothing.:(
All GMs will start doing this only if everyone likes it, but even if that happens, firstly, it's not a fact that you yourself won't like it so much. Secondly, who forbids alternating games? For example, we introduced ranks (classic games), and sometimes they are held, and people write and play in them (although not all old-timers of the forum do).
But introducing ranks doesn't mean that the forum has abandoned its own games. The same thing can be done by alternating. If people like it, you can continue playing blind games. If not, you can forget about them. But it's always possible and necessary to try different things.
As for the silent nights, I'm just bored playing for 24 hours and then not playing for 24 hours (and if it's 36 hours, it's just unbearable)... I lose interest in the game ((( If you're going to play, you should play properly.
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#5826
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The current question is: who will host the next game and when?
Tox wanted to. Let him host instead of me, if he's ready.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#5827
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Evil Lizard
I'm sure if the Warlock hadn't skipped a turn, things would have been different. ;) And Alex's bluffs in the newspaper were a bit much. This is probably the only thing they shouldn't have done... However, the set was lying around for quite a while, and we didn't pay attention - no one is to blame.
The journalist's role was unnecessary in principle; there was way too much bluffing, plus the journalist himself was bluffing.
The Mafia lost without managing to do anything. In the game, besides the bluffing, everyone was signaling their innocence, and as a result, I was simply trapped among a bunch of innocent players. Was that a win? I'm not even mentioning the super-easy hint about me...
Also, the Master was resurrected, the Godfather (with his -1 vote) wasn't hanged, and there were a lot of healers... in general, the game was pro-town in essence.
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#5828
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Drakkoshka
I will not be analyzing blind games! I enjoy vividly describing who had what role. Especially if a bloody mess involving half the players happens at night, yum.
I also enjoy describing how they kill Arandor players.
Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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#5829
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There's utter chaos in the waiting room, with people jumping the queue, some disappearing, and others just giving up and trying to go elsewhere... Anyway, it's up to you, I don't care, but if necessary, I'm ready to open it up again tomorrow.
А, вот почему.

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#5830
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mika
All GMs will only start creating such games if everyone likes it, but even if that happens, it's not a given that you yourself will like it that much.
I won't like it, 292% sure. I've already participated in such games. Both in semi-blind ones (like here) and in completely blind ones (I posted a link somewhere here). I don't want to do it anymore.:smile38:

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mika
the unhanged GM (with his -1 vote)
But you were the one who took away his deciding vote.:D Although, if it hadn't been you, I would have done it before the end of the day.

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