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I don't like unnecessary complications with the rules and scoring. We started with a round-robin format, and now we've ended up with a Swiss system. I don't want to be disappointed. What's with this obsession with Alex and "maximum hassle with the rules," and then you yourselves don't always understand who's right and who's wrong – I've noticed it many times. Just run a tournament with minimal complications, where everyone plays everyone else with full scoring, and everyone will participate. No need for any polls!
P.S. We used to play with full scoring, and there were many participants. Then you started messing around with the rules, and I think that's one of the reasons why the number of players in tournaments has decreased so sharply!
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I don't like unnecessary complications with the rules and the draft. We started with a circular draft, and now we've moved to a Swiss system. I don't want to be disappointed. What's with your obsession with Alex and "maximum hassle with the rules," and then you yourselves don't always understand who's right and who's wrong, I've noticed it more than once. Just run a tournament with a minimum of complications, where everyone plays everyone else with a full draft, and everyone will play in that tournament; there will be no need for any polls!
P.S. We used to play with a full draft, and there were many participants. Then you started messing around with the rules, and I think that's one of the reasons why the number of players in tournaments has decreased so sharply!
That's a reasonable approach...
Okay, something always bothers you.
Write your version of the rules in this thread: "from" and "to," and make sure there are no "complications."
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I'm generally fine with the minor details. The most important thing is that we play a round-robin tournament where everyone plays each other once, with a week for each match and 4 days for rematches. We can divide it into rounds to control the dynamic players, but there should be an option to play matches in advance. A complete set of templates and factions from 8, using standard schemes like 1-1-1... and 1-2-2...-1. I don't think anyone will object to these rules, and there will be minimal questions. A tournament lasting 3 months with the current number of participants.
P.S. We're currently following the path of the "RTAshniks" (speedrunners), who have a million versions and just as many fans for each. BUT, we are too few to divide! Therefore, we need to play according to standard rules that have been tested many times in tournaments and have satisfied most people.
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Vip.rus
I'm generally fine with the current format. The most important thing is that we play a round-robin tournament where everyone plays each other once, with a week for each match and 4 days for rematches. We can divide it into rounds to control dynamic players, but with the option to play matches in advance. A complete set of templates and factions from 8, using standard schemes of 1-1-1... and 1-2-2...-1. I don't think anyone will object to these rules, and there will be minimal questions. A tournament lasting 3 months with the current number of participants.
You didn't understand me: write your version of the rules in this thread: "from" and "to," and without any "complications." What's the problem? It's so easy...
I promise that your rules will be the rules for this tournament, but first, make sure that no one expresses dissatisfaction during the discussion, and that the majority are "FOR" your rules.
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KillAndAction
You don't understand me: write your version of the rules in this thread: "from" and "to," and make sure there are no "complications." What's the problem? It's so easy...
I promise that your rules will be the rules for this tournament, but first, make sure that no one expresses dissatisfaction during the discussion, and that the majority are "FOR" your rules.
You don't understand me! I wrote to you how to start the tournament quickly and with the maximum number of participants, and you're spouting nonsense again! Start however you want; I'll think about it when I see the final version of the rules, but my opinion about them is already known.
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Vip.rus
...and you're spouting nonsense again!..
What's the point of this?
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KillAndAction
Especially for Vip.rus and Noom.
Consider withdrawing from the tournament; stop fooling around: are you all some kind of newbies?!
Surely your skill level won't allow you to play with any system of map templates, factions, and so on, right?!

Kirill, I'm not fooling around – I have a very busy late October and November; I'll be leading a clan in Arctic MUD for a month or two. I'd rather play for fun when I have time or join as a substitute.
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Alex_nv - draw - Vovan112013 летос 236

alex_nv wrote: Наконец то нормальная игра с открытием половины карты.
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Noom
Kirill, I'm not kidding – I'll be very busy in late October and November; I'll be leading a clan in Arctic MUD for a month or so. I'd rather just play for fun when I have time or join as a substitute.
That's a shame.

So, decide what to do with the tournament.
I will hold the tournament as promised.
Just let me know.
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What Noom said: Round 1 is a pure Swiss system, from round 2 it's a Swiss system with the elimination of players who have lost twice.
In a pure Swiss system, there will be no elimination; we just need to determine the number of rounds.
I'm fine with this option too...
I'm in favor of this tournament format: a pure Swiss system, with more than 9 players; otherwise, a round-robin tournament. I've already written my rules.

P.S.: Kirill, maybe you should stop torturing yourself? The player correctly stated that the rules should be written first, then registration. Otherwise, we can discuss it endlessly. Noom can't participate; it's a pity, but what can you do? Vip, Igrok, and Vitaly don't want to participate in the tournament according to the written rules – that's their choice; we'll do it without them. Even if only 6-7 people remain. At least we'll be playing, instead of complaining that something is wrong.
" Дурак учится на своих ошибках, умный - на чужих, а мудрый старается их не совершать!
Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "


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As I mentioned before, I will play under any rules.
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alex_nv
I'm in favor of this tournament format: a pure Swiss-system tournament, with a round-robin format if there are more than 9 participants. I've already written my rules.

P.S.: Kirill, maybe it's time to stop torturing yourself? The player correctly stated that the rules should be written first, then registration. Otherwise, we can discuss it endlessly. Noom can't participate, which is a pity, but what can we do? Vip, Igrok, and Vitaly don't want to participate in the tournament according to the written rules – that's their choice, and we'll proceed without them. Even if only 6-7 people remain. At least we'll be playing instead of complaining that something is wrong.
I agree.
I made another mistake, but only because I wanted to do what was best...
I won't do that again.
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I agree.
I made another mistake, but only because I wanted to do it the best way possible...
I won't do that again.

Good. Let's add the format (round-robin) and my rules for template selection and pairing. I will conduct the draw for the first three rounds at 00:00 Moscow time today.

As I understand it, the following are participating in the tournament:
alex_nv, theoretik, G_L, KillAndAction, JonnyP, BOLIVAR, Yaughen
Or am I mistaken about the participants? Please answer before 23:45 Moscow time.
" Дурак учится на своих ошибках, умный - на чужих, а мудрый старается их не совершать!
Пусть будет больше мудрецов и жить станет легче!!! "


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I'm in favor of this tournament format: a pure Swiss-system tournament, with a round-robin format if there are more than 9 participants. I've already written my rules.

P.S.: Kirill, maybe you should stop torturing yourself? The player correctly stated that the rules should be written first, then registration. Otherwise, we can discuss it endlessly. Noom can't participate, which is a pity, but what can we do? Vip, Igrok, and Vitaly don't want to participate in the tournament according to the written rules – that's their choice, and we'll do without them. Even if only 6-7 people remain. At least we'll be playing, instead of complaining that something is wrong.
You're an egoist, Alex. You came up with rules that are convenient for you, and to hell with everyone else. If stronger players don't want to play, let them not play; it's better for us. Sorry if I offended you, but that's the impression I have.
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alex_nv
Great! Let's add the format (round-robin) and my rules regarding template selection and pairing. I'll conduct the draw for the first three rounds at 00:00 Moscow time today.

As I understand it, the following players are participating in the tournament:
alex_nv, theoretik, G_L, KillAndAction, JonnyP, BOLIVAR, Yaughen
Or am I mistaken about the participants? Please respond before 23:45 Moscow time.
I think the Wanderer will participate regardless of the rules, so don't rush to exclude him. He doesn't seem to be online on ICQ right now.