Posts from Appeals Committee. Disputed situations in tournaments. Auto-translated

I agree with the Leader.

Everyone has become so soft. You won a trip to Yukh, so be kind enough to check your luggage, take your seat, and fasten your seatbelt.

I want to say that the rules of the HeroesWorld cell apply within the HeroesWorld cell, but not outside of it.

Exactly, and it's great that no one has suggested judging outside of it.

No HeroesWorld has the right to dictate what a user writes in ICQ or Skype, because it's everyone's personal business what they write there.

You speak the truth, and it's great that no one is dictating to anyone.

and even more so, it's not for HeroesWorld to judge what was written there

But here you're wrong; absolutely anyone can judge, if HeroesWorld wants to, HeroesWorld will judge, the only question is within what framework this judgment will operate, and here we return to where we started – the rules of HeroesWorld only work inside HeroesWorld. And consequently, any talk about cows and the like can go take a walk, because possible HeroesWorld decisions do not extend to the described locations.

But this is all demagoguery, because here is the key question:

The AC was created to resolve disputable situations: maphack, cheating, clones, in-game moments.

Should the AC deal with such issues at all? If we think it should, then the considerations described above apply, and if we think it's not its concern, then, of course, no sanctions for ICQ and Skype. The only question now is how to decide whether it should or shouldn't, if the AC itself has seemingly already decided, and our forum referendums traditionally end unsuccessfully.

Overall, I agree with the Leader. Using ICQ and Skype is a personal matter for everyone. If someone doesn't want to communicate with someone, they can always block them. But there's one caveat. If two players are paired in a tournament and they have to communicate with each other, then I think it's reasonable to require at least a minimum level of respect for the opponent in this case.

It doesn't make sense to transfer real-world laws into the virtual world and think in the same categories. In reality, a sporting event takes place in the presence of judges. When Mike Tyson bit his opponent in the ring, he was penalized by the referee with a point deduction. If this event had occurred in a tavern, it would have been judged by different judges and would not have been related to boxing. The specifics of our relationships are that many of us have never even seen each other. Our "sporting matches" take place in front of a computer screen. In most cases, the judges have no way to be present at them. We can only find out what happens during our/your matches from virtual sources (logs, screenshots, streams...). Therefore, if one of the opponents creates an unsportsmanlike atmosphere during the match, it is not his personal matter, but an integral part of the tournament. And the players will have to answer to the judges. If the tournament organizer makes unethical statements about the participant(s) of the tournament during the stream of the draw, the AC will again have to watch the stream and make a remark to such an organizer for disrespecting the tournament players. If you argue about music, religion, or politics after the game, the AC is not concerned, and no one will review such complaints. And if we talk about life in general, respecting each other will not make anyone worse off. We are all different, and that is good, it makes life more interesting. Therefore, it seems strange to read posts from freedom of speech fighters, which implies the freedom to swear at someone who is different from you.

So, who’s arguing about the tournaments themselves or the season? About what was done during the game? If a player behaves inappropriately, the organizer has the right to do what they deem necessary. As a rule, there’s usually a clause like "at their own discretion, to make changes." And then it’s either a warning or disqualification for unsportsmanlike conduct.
I’m not saying you can just sign up for every tournament and tell everyone and their mother to f... off.

I’m talking about private conversations. If one person expresses their dissatisfaction to another because they see fit, no matter how poorly it sounds, what does HeroesWorld have to do with it? It’s not for AK to judge that and impose their own sanctions, some third-level nonsense lol. If, for example, somewhere in streams, one of the viewers misbehaves, what does HeroesWorld have to do with those users again? That’s absurd. They have their own moderators there. Let them keep order. Not like this: we snitch on those registered on HW, they get punished, while half the unregistered ones are left alone? We need to clearly delineate and understand what’s a gameplay matter and what’s strictly private, and what shouldn’t concern HeroesWorld at all, instead of lumping everything together. Even if someone doesn’t like it, and it looks bad and immoral, and someone is "doing a good deed by punishing the rude ones."

Simply put, if one player wrote something nasty to another in a PM, or the first provoked the second, and the second replied rudely, that’s none of HeroesWorld’s or AK’s business — that’s their PERSONAL MATTER.
But, if they are playing and during the game one writes to the other "you’re an a...hole," then yes, no question, it’s "unsportsmanlike conduct."

But, if they are playing and during the game one writes to the other "you m...k", then yes, without a doubt, it's "unsportsmanlike behavior".

We constantly do this with TOGANASH, or something like that :D
And nothing happens :) We're still alive!

I played a lot in the last year. And some people, after losing, tried to insult me. If I had known that these people were writing the same things to others, I definitely wouldn't have played with them.
Therefore, a yellow card is a sign that we are dealing with a person who lacks inner culture. Whether to play with him or not is a personal matter for everyone. But the forum honestly shows that it can be...

You could simply create a topic "reports of inadequate users on HeroesWorld", but complicating the protocol or involving the AC is just needless hassle.

Juristis

LM received a ban due to the following reasons combined: rudeness towards tournament organizers and generally on the forum, systematic unjustified removals from tournaments.

Participation in Tournaments is at the discretion of the organizers.

So, will Jurist receive a card now?:cool:

So, will the lawyer get a card now?:cool:

That is, Juristis has already received it. Also, if you didn't know, he is currently banned by the violation system for a week.
I will update the blacklist when I have time, and that will be only after the Novice draw.

What did the child get banned for? Did I miss something? :smile21:

you're losing your touch, the argument passed you by again :p

Today, Neo and I played a season game on the 8mm6a map, and an interesting situation arose: all the territory under my control turned out to be completely enclosed, and I searched everywhere but couldn't find any way out. I request that the judges review the save file for any bugs. We will provide the passwords via ICQ.

[off]This happens rarely (and it seems it was never fixed in the HD mod), but what is the question? Does your opponent not believe you?[/off]