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Mizrael played the way I usually practice against the AI in single-player.
That is, he played to the maximum for 1 week (for example), and then exited and started over, because everything is already clear here.
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Mizrael (04/10/2014 11:56)
Didn't anyone ever talk to you about gaming ethics?

Toganash M (04/10/2014 11:57)
Come on, explain.

Toganash M (04/10/2014 11:57)
Specifically, what are you talking about?

Mizrael (04/10/2014 11:57)
It's 5 AM, it's obvious, to speed up the process, I quickly took out your garrison, and even threw in an extra blessing so you'd lose faster and I could go to sleep.

Mizrael (04/10/2014 11:57)
And what?

Mizrael (04/10/2014 11:58)
You got upset that you ran out of mana and started complaining.

Mizrael (04/10/2014 11:58)
Forget it.

Mizrael simply didn't like that his opponent "got upset" and didn't give up immediately, but instead tried to turn the tide with magic. And he succeeded. That's just not right. :smile05:
Toganash M (04/10/2014 11:55)
Shall we continue?

Mizrael (04/10/2014 11:55)
Not really.
Mizrael (04/10/2014 12:00)
So, you need a win? No problem, I'll give you two.

Mizrael (04/10/2014 12:00)
You lost that game because you played worse.

And this is just childish babble.
I would be a little offended too if I were Toganash.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Let's close this thread and archive it. It's easy to disband the judges, then the organizers, and then there won't be any tournaments. We've already argued ourselves to exhaustion in the second Heroes game... We need to protect the judges, organizers, and players. That's what matters.
As for the situation itself, it's a common one; there's no need to demonize either side, but a report should definitely be written. Perhaps it would be best to delete everything after the report, as the incident will be resolved.

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Guys, I don't need a report, and I'm not going to write one or confirm it. The save was after I had already defeated Tazar's army and had an advantage. With 150 mana and 15 spell points, and with one Archangel, Ciel will fight better in the center than Tazar with 4 Vipers and 1 Hydra, 50 mana, and 7 spell points. But that's not the point. In general, the reason I decided to post this is because players have discussed with me in ICQ several times about situations where judges have made illogical decisions. Why shouldn't we know about this so that we can better assess the situation in the future?

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Big minus to Toganash! If everyone starts creating topics and posting logs, what will the forum turn into? We are fighting against this, and then this happens...

Dirty, I've always considered you to be the most logical and consistent, and my opinion hasn't changed, and your water elemental for the tower brought me online. But I'm paying more and more attention to your cliquishness, when you neglect some principles in order to protect your circle. I don't know what a "big minus" is and what morale actually affects, I'm not interested in such things. But your action reminds me of Obama's démarche with sanctions against Russia...
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Well, in such a situation, I would do the following:

Mizrael (10.04.2014 12:00)
So, you really need a win? No problem, want me to give you 2 units?

Wic (10.04.2014 12:01)
ok

Wic (10.04.2014 12:03)
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4. When the opponent leaves the game with the phrase "My internet/power went out, or my computer crashed."
(This is a 200% sure loss for the opponent, and the translation is "come on, give me an auto-win, I have to win").
I've played about 100 games, but I've only had the power go out once, the internet go out once, and the computer crash once.
I felt so ashamed that they would think I was cheating.
Well, I don't know, my power and internet have gone out many times. If the situation was bad, I usually just surrendered. If not, I continued.

I remember one time, Cobra (it was a tournament game) called me on my mobile after his internet went down and asked me to describe how I made my move (we were already in a close battle). At first, I wanted to get offended, but then I realized he had a right to do so.
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I haven't lowered anyone's morale, and I don't intend to. The issue is that we're fighting against the spread of negativity on the forum. Mizrael could have been any player, and my opinion wouldn't have changed because of that. If you knew how many arguments and disputes I personally have to resolve. What will happen if a new thread appears for every situation on the forum, and logs are posted? I don't want that, and you're provoking people to do it. As for Mizrael's position as a judge and member of the Arbitration Committee, in the event of a controversial situation, he will be treated as a regular player, and there can be no favoritism or excuses. I'm sorry if anyone thinks otherwise.
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Back when I was just starting to play, I admit, I did it a couple of times – like, the power or internet went out. It was hard to stop doing it – it was really hard. But once you honestly admit that you lost, you start to understand that you actually became stronger. And now, if my internet goes down, it really goes down. Thank God I started streaming; I have proof. ))
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Chingis

1. After saving, the phrase "We'll finish it later" (translation: "never") follows.

2. The following answers are given to the suggestion to finish the game: "I'm playing in a tournament!", or
"I'm flying to Moscow, London, Dushanbe, etc.", or "I'm at work."
(translation: "Isn't it obvious that I'm in a bad position?")

1. What should you say after saving?

2. I don't quite understand. It's not at all times when you suggest the opponent to finish the game that he is available. This is a normal situation, and that's why agreements exist.
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Dirty_Player
I haven't lowered anyone's morale, and I don't intend to. The point is that we are fighting against the spread of negativity on the forum. Mizrael could have been any player, and my opinion wouldn't have changed because of that. If you knew how many arguments and squabbles I personally have to sort out. What will happen if a topic appears and logs are posted for every situation on the forum? I don't want that, and you are provoking people to do it. As for Mizrael's position as a judge and member of the Arbitration Committee, in the event of a controversial situation, he will be treated as a player on equal terms, and there can be no favoritism or excuses. I'm sorry if anyone thinks otherwise.

I'm glad that this is indeed the case. I've had much worse negativity in private messages, but I didn't post any of it. Here, I acted differently, simply because the person influences the judging.
P.S.: Still, explain, what is the purpose of morale?
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Toganash

P.S.: Still, explain what the purpose of morale is?
It's the same reason why likes on VKontakte exist.
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Defiant
Just like likes on VKontakte, I guess.
Thanks, it's nonsense, I probably just grew up in a different time.
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Chingis
I changed my mind; I won't post a list of unfinished games. I don't want to get involved with them.

But I came up with a name for them: LABELS (from the word "ethics").

And here's a set of standard phrases from the LABELS, after which, NO ONE will finish the game with you; you've been 100% scammed (the translations and comments are in parentheses):

1. After saving, the phrase "We'll finish it later" follows (translation: "never").

2. Suddenly, the phrase "Save the game; my opponent has arrived, and I NEED to finish the tournament" follows.
(translation: "you're free, Vasya"; probably going to play a quick game, or a bad situation).

3. In response to the suggestion to finish the game, the answers are: "I'm playing in a tournament!" or
"I'm flying to Moscow, London, Dushanbe, etc.," or "I'm at work."
(translation: "isn't it obvious that I'm in a bad situation?").

4. When the opponent leaves the game with the phrase "My internet/power was cut off, or my computer crashed."
(this is 200% a loss for the opponent, and the translation is "idiot, give me an auto-win; I have to win").

I've played about 100 games, but I've only had the power go out once, the internet disconnect once, and my computer crash once.
I was so ashamed that they would think I was cheating.
But for some creatures, the internet can disconnect 5 times during a game.
And in each game, something happens to them.

5. The phrase "forget about it" doesn't need translation because it has the same meaning.
(synonyms: you're free, relax, get lost, I'm cool, you're an idiot, I can't lose, I need a good rating, and other nonsense).

If one of the 5 situations above occurs, it's best to never play with that opponent again,
because you won't get anything good out of it except unpleasant emotions.

P.S.
If the power or internet is cut off for a trusted opponent, you can believe it.
If the opponent is new and has nothing else to do, play a second game; something will happen to them too, 100%.
I remember having unfinished games with someone, maybe with you, Sunny, and other people. Unfortunately, my memory is failing me. If you're sure the game happened, write to me. If there's no save file, I'll confirm it. It's time to get rid of old sins. They keep weighing on my soul, and I don't know what to do with them because I don't keep records of games.
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Toganash
Actually, the reason I decided to post this is because players have discussed with me on several occasions in the chat situations where judges made decisions that were not logical.
This is natural.
Judges review controversial situations that are not regulated by the rules. Usually, there are two diametrically opposed opinions, irreconcilable and confident in their correctness. Often, it is simply impossible to find a compromise. A decision is made in favor of one of the parties. The other party is, of course, offended and considers the decision "illogical." They present the situation to their friends from their point of view, and the opponent's arguments are usually omitted. The judges, on the other hand, try to find out the facts from both sides.
Then come the standard accusations - the judge is biased, acted out of friendship, the judge is abusing his powers... It can even be amusing. In the "Rookie" league about a year and a half ago, there was a blatant violation of the rules, and I penalized the player, after which the "victim" accused me of favoring his opponent (and I hadn't even communicated with his opponent before that, and I added him to my chat list much later than the "offended" player, so why would I favor him and to what end - it's hard to understand :confused: ).
Yes, we all know each other here, many in real life, for many years. The judges review many issues, and if a player disagrees with the decision, he goes to the Appeals Committee. There has never been a case where, when discussing an issue in the Appeals Committee, we would tip the scales in favor of someone out of friendship. Rather, the opposite is true; we have higher expectations for well-known, strong players, as they know the rules and are aware of the generally accepted nuances of behavior on the forum.
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Chingis is killing boars again.
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of course, you shouldn't go overboard:). if the opponent is trustworthy, let them disconnect 100 times.:)

but there are types of players who always have something happen (in every game), after which they need to be given a win. and if you don't, there will be such a fuss that I don't know...:)
Of course, excessive suspicion saves you from many "unpleasant situations," but in this context, the analogy "I tore my shoelace - I won't go to work" comes to mind...
I also often have connection problems. It varies with different people: with some, I consistently finish a game, and with others, there are 2-3 disconnects in an hour. And there are many reasons for this, and believe me, among all these reasons, there has never been a case of cheating or some other unfair play.
1. I'm sure many play over Wi-Fi, which in itself implies packet loss, especially if there are walls, neighbors, and electrical appliances being turned on/off.
2. Interaction with different internet providers. With some, the signal is excellent, and with others, at the same moment, the Hamachi indicator shows a downward trend...
3. No one has canceled out a power surge. And if a laptop can handle it, the router may interrupt the session.
4. Children, mothers/wives with a vacuum cleaner, a noisy neighbor who flipped the wrong switch, a blue screen, overheating...

I'm saying that the initial assumption that you are being cheated when the connection drops is either a lack of respect for the opponent or an overblown self-esteem fighting against complexes.
If you have any suspicions, write down the person's nickname and the dates of the saves. If, after the game, after reviewing the saves for those days, it turns out that hives, cons, or strongholds are being taken, then YES. It is worth avoiding such a person. But a disconnect in itself is just an annoying factor, and it usually annoys both players...
PS I most often experience disconnects either when it's my turn to move (packet loss) or during the opponent's turn, and in this case, even if I'm not a "trustworthy opponent," there shouldn't be any complaints, right?
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