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Toganash, let's say you're a judge, and you receive a complaint like this (regarding your game and the subsequent conversation in ICQ) - what decision would you make?
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Sloth_D
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Minus for you for taking out the private game, and without any reason.
Mizra is strange. If you're willing to risk leaving early to go to sleep, then be prepared to write "gg" (good game). Of course, in an important game, actions are different.
Mizra is strange. If you're willing to risk leaving early to go to sleep, then be prepared to write "gg" (good game). Of course, in an important game, actions are different.
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wariator
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If you don't want to finish the game, write a report about the game master; that's the only solution! Whether you slept or not, whether you're tired or not, all of that is just whining!
Каждое поражение-навоз успеха!Герои как жизнь: непредсказуемы как городская маршрутка ,капризны как наши женщины,увлекательны как рыбалка в период нереста ,коварны и отвратительны если мышкой движет слюнявый читер! всё в них есть и это.......
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Redwhait
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The topic is completely irrelevant, Togana gets a minus for bringing it up.
I understand tournaments, but torturing yourself and your opponent in a fun game is wrong. If anyone doesn't understand this, then my condolences.
HellLighT
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Regarding the "torment" aspect, that's quite accurate; for many players, a season is equivalent to a tournament, so there's no question that Mizrael behaved poorly. However, publicly shaming him is indeed questionable (although it can be argued that it's sometimes useful to give a wake-up call to skilled players).
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The essence of the topic goes much deeper than just one instance. As I understand it, there are 3 questions on the agenda.
1. What should be done in such situations? The rules don't cover this, but they should.
2. How authoritative is Mizrael as a member of the Arbitration Committee?
3. What does game ethics entail? And how should it be applied?
1. What should be done in such situations? The rules don't cover this, but they should.
2. How authoritative is Mizrael as a member of the Arbitration Committee?
3. What does game ethics entail? And how should it be applied?
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Осень-Зима 2013-14.
Осень-Зима 2013-14.
Sanin
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The essence of the topic is much deeper than just one game. As I understand it, there are 3 questions on the agenda.
1. What to do in such situations? The rules don't provide for this, but they should.
2. Is Mizrael an authority as a member of the AK?
3. What is game ethics, and what does it entail?
1.6. Players are advised to agree in advance on how long they can play without interruption, and if there is not enough time and the need to postpone the game, agree on the terms for completing it.
1 month is given to complete the game. If the game is not completed within this time, the players have the right to contact the tournament judge, providing saves of the postponed game and ICQ logs. Each such case is considered individually. The judge acts at his discretion: either a technical victory is awarded (if one of the players ignores offers to complete the game), or a decision is made based on the saves (if the players have mutual problems), or the game is canceled, or another decision is made depending on the circumstances. Players who systematically fail to complete postponed games may be subject to sanctions, up to and including exclusion from the tournament and being placed on the Blacklist.
I have already used this rule, by the way.
However, Mizrael is listed as one of the judges for the season, and in this situation, his judging perspective on the situation seems particularly interesting. If the position stated above ("you lost that game because you played worse") is the judge's position, then what kind of judge is that?
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Vatya
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I have already used this rule, by the way.
However, Mizrael is listed as one of the judges for the season, and in this situation, his judging perspective on the situation seems particularly interesting. If the position stated above ("you lost the game because you played worse") is the judge's position, then what kind of judge is that?
But again, what does it have to do with judging powers? A member of the Arbitration Committee has functions, rights, and powers that are much broader and deeper.
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Осень-Зима 2013-14.
Осень-Зима 2013-14.
numOne
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Another plus for Toganash. The guy is really showing himself to be a level-headed and capable person who can clearly articulate his thoughts. Mizrael, with his registration dating back to 2008, is spouting some childish, noobish nonsense, like "you were lucky I didn't focus, but you played worse." And he says it completely seriously. And he's also talking about some kind of ethics. It would have been ethical to say, "I didn't play very well (I'm tired), I don't see any point in continuing, write a report." That's all.
Honestly, I don't understand what kind of person is judging.
And the fact that it was made public, as far as I understand, it was all the same as in the stream. And there's nothing super-secret or personal here. The question is about trust in the person as a judge.
Honestly, I don't understand what kind of person is judging.
And the fact that it was made public, as far as I understand, it was all the same as in the stream. And there's nothing super-secret or personal here. The question is about trust in the person as a judge.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Once again, kudos to Toganash. The guy is proving to be a truly level-headed person and capable of expressing his thoughts clearly. Mizrael, with his registration dating back to 2008, is spouting some childish, noobish nonsense, like "you were lucky I didn't focus, but you played worse." And he says it completely seriously. And he's still talking about some kind of ethics. It would have been ethical to say, "I didn't play very well (I'm tired), I don't see any point in continuing, I'll write a report." That's all.
Honestly, I don't understand what such a person is doing as a judge.
And the fact that it was made public, as far as I understand, it was all the same as in the stream. And there's nothing super-secret or personal here. The question is about trust in the person as a judge.
In fact, a situation occurred where a person was likely to lose due to his own wrong actions, even though he was ahead!
P.S.
Namwan, I think, understands why I'm so vehemently commenting in this thread. No, it's not because I want to insult or humiliate Mizrael, God forbid, I haven't even played games with him.
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Toganash
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Toganash, let's say you're a judge, and you receive a complaint like this (regarding your game and subsequent correspondence in ICQ) – what decision would you make?
Minus for Toganash for removing the private game, and without any reason.
Mizra is strange. If he's willing to take the risk to go to bed earlier, then he should be prepared to write "gg" (good game). It's clear that in an important game, actions are different.
This is not a private game at all. 1st: The game is being streamed. 2nd, he's a judge, and we should know who is judging us, or are you not interested, for example, in what kind of background the person has when you choose him for the position of mayor, etc.? It's like a police officer takes off his uniform after work and goes to rob a store, and then says, "It's my personal business outside of work." I wouldn't want to be protected by such employees in the neighborhood.
The topic is made up out of thin air, minus for Toganash for removing the game.
I understand tournaments, but in a fun game, torturing yourself and your opponent is wrong. If someone hasn't understood this, then my condolences.
No one was tormenting anyone. What prevented him from saving the game earlier?
P.S.: I apologize again for being the reason for this mudslinging, but I thought it was important if we know who is judging us sometimes.
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Mizrael
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Guys, what made you decide that I was refusing to confirm the match? The more I read, the more confused I become; the correspondence is right there. Apparently, I'll have to explain in more detail, since many people don't seem to understand the meaning, and they start making things up about others (especially those comments about being a crybaby and other nonsense). So, this is a fun game (a season game), and I play it solely for the sake of playing (not for the result). In this case, I decided to practice with Jebus before the start of the corresponding tournament. For me, the game ended after I destroyed my opponent's army while keeping my own intact. Two angels on the mage don't prevent Tazar from taking the center; this is obvious, but my opponent doesn't give up... This moment was the sticking point for me; from my point of view, it's similar to a situation in some RTS where one player destroys the opponent's base, but the opponent still has a couple of units hidden somewhere and refuses to surrender, saying, "Find them." Dragging out the game when the opponent clearly has an advantage contradicts my gaming ethics; I surrender myself if I see that the opponent has a decisive advantage (as in the game with Yurist, for example, and not only). The opponent decided to play "until the bitter end." After that, there were two options: leave or try to push with my army. I tried, but it wasn't enough, so we saved the game because I was already exhausted (this is not an excuse, but simply an explanation of my state at that moment; everything that happens in the game has no bearing on what happened before, and I didn't write anywhere that "oh, I wasn't paying attention, I wouldn't have done that, let's replay"). With a clear head, I realized that I didn't want to drag out this game, and I told my opponent that when he suggested finishing it. He sarcastically asked, "Don't you see any chances?" There are quite normal chances; even if he manages to hold out until the end of the week, he won't be able to defeat Tazar in the castle because I still have enough troops, and he won't be able to do much in the center with one angel.
Now, briefly, the main points, for those who are just catching up:
- I think Tazar played better in the game.
- I definitely don't want to finish the game now (regarding confirmation, please read the correspondence).
- I didn't touch on the opponent's personal qualities anywhere; I don't understand where the negativity and the attribution of "self-aggrandizement" came from.
In Toganash's first post, there's a lot of resentment, a lot of personal perception, and even made-up things, but there's no specific information. What is the essence of the topic starter's claims? What is the essence of the claims of those who have already started giving assessments, and what does this have to do with judging?
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Among all these words, the only truly correct conclusion is that you need to play until the end game. Otherwise, it will take more than a day to figure everything out. And outside the window, it's spring, and the sun is shining; you should spend more time outdoors.
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Roger DAltavilla
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It would be interesting to know: was a report on the game written?
If no report was written, what kind of confirmation could there be?
If a report was written and confirmation was provided, I consider the ethical question to be closed.
If no report was written, what kind of confirmation could there be?
If a report was written and confirmation was provided, I consider the ethical question to be closed.
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Dirty_Player
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Big minus to Toganash! If everyone starts creating topics and posting logs, what will the forum turn into? We are fighting against this, and then this happens...