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I completely agree with what Toganash wrote. And I already expressed my opinion here earlier that arranging such draws in these tournaments is the height of disrespect. In general, all three of them turned out to be somewhat disappointing (this is my personal opinion), even Vitaly, whom I generally have a good relationship with and have known for a long time on this forum. There were also problems with LeBron, whom I trusted and picked in KotH – he simply disappeared, without even notifying anyone, although he had the opportunity to do so and had confirmed in advance that he could play (why? it's unclear), so I had to put in a substitute (there were two of them in total for the whole year). Darkello was also involved here with his handmade save replacement. :)
This is what people are like. A normal, honest player wouldn't do something like that. It's a pity that there are so few of them.

As for the fact that this is resolved in a private discussion, it's not entirely true. Everything is decided on the forum, in an open discussion. Of course, the final decision is made one way or another by the organizer and the judges/AC.
And I would like The_ to express his position more openly as an organizer. Although this is his first major tournament, experience will come with time.

The organizers' position is now clear.
But why are you comparing the game to chess if they are completely different disciplines? :confused:
If such a thing is possible in chess, it's only because it's not prohibited.

Why did Schalke come out and put up a fight yesterday after losing 1-6, even though everything was already decided and they could have just not played? But Fish and Darkello are so afraid of Toganash (or don't want to compete for 1st place, which would give them an advantage) that they are agreeing to draws with Gomungul. (It's not quite the right comparison, but they were playing for their honor, and there's none of that in a fixed draw.)
As a punishment, they should be matched against Maretti in the 1/8 finals (and Gomungul should be given a higher seed, as he came in 2nd place; maybe then they would understand that everyone will be held accountable for their dirty deeds). :)

Well then, let's create a thread in the AK and discuss it there!
Otherwise, again, lots of empty words but no facts... I think I already asked you to stand by your words, but you remained silent. Maybe you should start taking responsibility for them now??

as I said above, there's no need to involve me in this. The fact is that the draw with LeBron was decided before my move. I didn't refuse or worsen my position; I agreed to a draw as well, while also asking the organizer and stating my opinion about the unfairness of draws at this stage.
So, please just pass me by.

What do you want to discuss in the AK? The sequence of actions?
I presented my vision of events there, which I wrote about first in the post. What words am I supposed to be responsible for? For thinking that your action is dishonorable? For allowing yourself many arrogant and mocking expressions? Well, read what you wrote before:
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This is despite the fact that you were aware that these draws would not allow Taganash to advance from the group, and that the tournament is positioned as a "tournament with games played to win," and that this is disrespectful to the organizer.
Or were you unaware?

And regarding "being accountable for one's words." Are you even aware of what that means? Or did you just pick it up somewhere by hearsay?

maybe then they would understand that everyone will get their just deserts for their dirty deeds) :)

You say that we are acting inappropriately, violating the rules, and playing unfairly. So, let's clarify in the Arbitration Committee what constitutes fair play and what doesn't.
Regarding being accountable for words, I already asked you to provide links where I insulted anyone. Lately, Vitaly seems to have gotten carried away with his cynical and mocking comments; he used to be more modest.
I don't see anything offensive or mocking in the links you provided. Or did I insult anyone there? Or maybe I was the first to post such things about someone?
I'm aware, but it seems you're only hearing part of the story and not seeing the bigger picture... you jumped in with your five cents and are now satisfied, but you could have asked what started it all.

Where did I write that you "violated the rules" and the principle of "fair play"? And where did I write that you "offended with your comments"? Here, please, you can now answer for your words.

A normal, honest player wouldn't do something like that. It's a shame that there are so few of them.

Lately, Vitaly seems to have gotten a bit cocky with his cynical, mocking comments; he used to be more modest.

And your whole post is written out of complete ignorance...
I'll share my opinion.
I don't have any objections to draws in principle. If a draw is an optional outcome, no one can force players to play strictly for a win.
The question is how it was done:
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In my opinion, this is the height of disrespect towards the organizer and a slap in the face to the fourth player.
Lately, Vitaly seems to have gotten a bit cocky with his cynical, mocking comments; he used to be more modest. And Lebron and Darkello are also not adding to their karma.
If you really want to arrange a fake draw (and the tournament has just started, and there's plenty of time), you can first ask the organizer, then calmly sort out the situation, and if the organizer doesn't mind such withdrawals, explain that you can't play for some reason (for example, you're going on a long vacation), and since the opponents and the organizer agree, you post a draw without playing. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Something like that.
But in this case, neither the organizer nor Toganash was asked. And since the tournament is positioned as the Champions League (a competition of the strongest), with regulations implying many beautiful and spectacular games, and the organizer has put a lot of effort into it, organized a prize fund from his own funds, at the very least, it is necessary to play the required matches. At least as a sign of "thank you".

Well, and of course, the final decision is up to the organizer, not the AK.

Where exactly did I accuse you of cheating and suggest that it requires an investigation by the administrators? Where did I say that you were insulting players with your comments?
Read everything in order, and don't take things out of context.
I said that I have nothing against a draw. What I didn't like was how it was done.
I expressed my opinion that your behavior has become arrogant and mocking, and that I hadn't noticed this before; you used to be more modest. And you acted disrespectfully (along with Lebron and Darkello) towards Toganash and the organizer. I don't know who initiated it. It all looked very ugly and cowardly, especially on the part of Lebron and Darkello.
And now you keep writing "I don't care, the main thing is to win."
It's not that difficult to play the required games. Besides, you play quite often.

If my tone seemed too harsh, I apologize.

I'm not taking anything out of context; it just looks like I opened a map or something and we're discussing it. For me, unfair play is associated with this.
Regarding where you wrote –
(Where did I say that you are insulting players with your comments?) – I just wanted to know where. I read this:
Lately, Vitaly seems to have gotten a bit cocky with his cynical and mocking comments; he used to be more modest. (c) For me, cynical and mocking comments imply that I called someone names or insulted them.
And if I wrote that someone is slow on the uptake, what's so mocking about that, if it's true?
And lastly, you weren't aware of anything... neither why I offered a draw, nor why I wrote that, nor whether I had communicated with Timur before... well, if that's the case, let me take a hit to my karma. As you said...
We'll see what they write next.

You acted disrespectfully (along with LeBron and Darkello) towards Togana and the organizer.

In this part, you clearly smoked a cigarette with a plan!!! I've told you 500 times that I informed the organizer that I wouldn't want any draws; he said he doesn't care and that match-fixing is fine (this is me exaggerating his response).