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12 years ago
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It's a decent list, but I would include Ursula and, perhaps, either Sesame or Killer Instincts instead of myself and... I don't even know... basically, anyone from the list, except maybe 0xFF, to whom Ursula has already managed to link three pieces of evidence... Although, if we remember the fiasco with Vespers... It's a pity that Morning turned out to be an investigator; he should have checked out Ursula! However, if the randomizer kills her and she's not a Mafia member, we'll lose not only another town role but also practically the only person who can decipher clues (even if they sometimes make mistakes). But if she's Mafia, then it's all bad; she'll confuse us completely, and we'll end up hanging ourselves. It's better to choose the lesser of two evils. My trust in Rimp has increased somewhat after the voting results, so instead of him, we could choose either Sesame (I don't have anything particularly against her, but I'm a little wary of her off-topic posts suggesting that we execute the inactive Gura "because he's Mafia") or Killer Instincts (he's not very active; I can't really say anything about him). Of all of them, only Shamrock Rover seems almost certainly to be a town member.
So, the list is decent, but you would exclude yourself, Rimp, 0xFF, and Gura from it? It's funny; the list is decent, but we're excluding 4 out of 6! And you wouldn't support executing 0xFF, but you would gladly hang me or Sesame? Am I understanding correctly?

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high activity in promoting her own clues (I remember there were times when people would remember a clue after 1-2 days, but Ursula wouldn't even remind them).
I wonder what role I was playing then without promoting my clues, wasn't it a Mafia role? And wasn't it my first game on this forum?
I feel sorry for Vespers, but her persistence regarding Arandor seemed too strange to me.
If Vespers hadn't been trying to hang Arandor in every game, we could have agreed. But it's precisely in your style to compare players' behavior from game to game, and suddenly you're surprised by Vespers' persistence; isn't that strange?

In general, I'm on the town team. I know that I can be very active and that I can get on people's nerves. But believe me, I don't like to lose, so that's why I'm so busy. Please don't listen to the Mafia. Heroist, Sesame, and Shamrock Rover seem like town members to me; if they make any suggestions regarding an execution, I will listen and support them.
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12 years ago
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I quickly glanced over it, and I can say that Offf was also suspicious based on his behavior in the chat, and here there are already three pieces of evidence. Well, and Sesam is also on the list. Offf is marked in bold/red. I'll read it properly and we can talk later, I'm busy right now.
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12 years ago
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Ursula
I wonder who I was playing as back then without any hype, maybe a Mana user? And was my first game on this forum?
Well, that game was an extreme case in that regard, which, I agree, is logical.
And another example could be the previous game. I don't remember such activity in the clues.
Ursula

if Vesper hadn't been accusing Arandor in every game
I think it started again in the previous game, right?
And I usually don't review past games in detail, it's just too lazy. Sometimes I have some impressions (maybe sometimes wrong), and I use them. Probably that's why I've never caught anyone based on their behavior :(
Shamrock Rover
0xFF, so, it's better not to eliminate you?
Executing any innocent player today means a 95% chance of victory for the Mafia, so yes.
RiMpel2
I glanced through it, and I'll just say that 0xFF was already caught based on behavior, and now there are three clues. Well, and Sesam too.
0xFF in bold/red. I'll read it properly and we'll talk later, I'm busy right now.
And who else is on the Mafia team, I wonder?)
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12 years ago
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I think that at this stage of the game, all sorts of behavioral motives can already be applied. I have a small complaint about Sareta, so for now, execute Sareta. Yes, I probably am not the only one with this complaint.
Regarding the clues, it seems like a mockery. But I tend to think that this mockery is not from Ursula. I don't really believe that she, being in the mafia, would send the same hitman, because for that, she would have to know in advance that she can link all the clues to the same profile. Although, okay, my reasoning hasn't always been successful, but still...
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12 years ago
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If desired, any piece of evidence can be linked to any profile; I have always said this and will continue to say it. However, here, all the evidence was linked without much effort, and perhaps it is correct. Let's see how it goes; I am ready to condemn Sareth, and I am ready to consider other candidates. For now, I will not rush, as we have too few people left.
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12 years ago
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Ment
I think that at this stage of the game, all sorts of behavioral motives can already be applied. I have a small complaint about Saret regarding this, so for now, execute Saret. Yes, probably, I'm not the only one with this complaint.
only you, the rest are focusing on (apparently) deliberately fake solutions to the clues
in my opinion, the stage of the game is such that small complaints can be revealed

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I had some initial suspicions about Ursula at the end of the first day. Back then, there was no reason, just an idea, but now it's the right time. Well, that's just a side note.
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12 years ago
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No one is going to hang Ursula today, if only because she's the only one who bothers to deduce the clues. Eliminating such a player from the town is at least foolish. You surely have your own list of who's who. Couldn't you find a role for Ursula in the town? Are there any other suspects? Who are you willing to execute? Who do you think you could give to the Roulette Player?

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0xFF
in my opinion, the game is at a stage where minor claims can be revealed
For me, the game is at a stage where I would like to hear from you the characteristics of all the remaining survivors. In a list. Who you trust, who you don't trust. Who you are willing to execute, and who you are not. For now, I don't see you as a town member. Convince me otherwise.

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VesperLindt
is it already the point of no return?
Yes, it's the point of no return now. And since you found it difficult to deduce the clues yesterday, maybe you can at least find time to calculate the current balance? And in general, it's better not to annoy me. If someone has been very boastful, saying "suspect me, vote against me," then they shouldn't be offended now.
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12 years ago
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So, the list is fine, but would you exclude yourself, Rimp, 0xFF, and Gura from it?
No, only myself and Rimp. I think it's necessary to keep Gura on the list because he barely participates and doesn't contribute anything meaningful, so he could very well be a Mafia member (and probably not a Civilian, since the evidence doesn't point to him, which means there's a good chance we can eliminate him with the Roulette; we shouldn't miss that opportunity). I was also going to keep 0xFF on the list, but I just noticed a small problem: if the evidence actually points to him, then he's a Civilian. In that case, he won't die from the Roulette, and including him in the list would be pointless. Moreover, if we go by your interpretation of the evidence, we should definitely eliminate him today, after which including him in the list would be even more absurd. Eliminate 0xFF for now.
So, you won't support eliminating 0xFF, but you'd happily eliminate me or Sesam? Am I understanding correctly?
I wouldn't put it that way. If 0xFF turns out to be a Civilian, then I'll definitely eliminate you with pleasure. If I get the chance, of course. As for the Roulette, it's random, and I'm not even sure if he should use it. If we eliminate a Mafia member, then I don't think it's a good idea. But if we eliminate a Civilian or no one, then let him use it; maybe he'll get lucky, otherwise, we'll just lose without even trying to put up a fight...
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12 years ago
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Vesper, take a break!))

I'm going to read now, if you have any questions for me, feel free to write them down.
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12 years ago
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Girls, don't argue.
I petted the cat.
based on your connection of clues, he definitely needs to be hanged today,
You are also very good at finding clues. Who else do you have, even if they only partially fit?
If 0xFF turns out to be innocent, then I will definitely enjoy hanging you.
And not just you.
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12 years ago
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Sesam requests lists for the roulette game. So that the Mafia and the roulette player don't end up on the same team. Seriously, throughout the entire game, she's been detrimental to the town; can't you see that?
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12 years ago
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Actually, you can already make fairly well-founded assumptions about my role, although perhaps not based on psychology.
Sesame
Ursula won't be hanged today, at least because she's the only one who isn't too lazy to guess the clues. Eliminating such a player would be at least foolish for the town.
You definitely have your own list of who's who. Couldn't you find a town role for Ursula? Are there any other suspects? Who are you ready to execute? Who do you think you could give to the Roulette Player?
But what if this is a Mafia player, creating fake solutions? Is it still foolish? I'm not saying this is 100% or even 50% true, but just – what if? I probably wouldn't be ready to execute Ursula today either, but it was necessary to speak up.

Kosh can be executed today, at least because he killed Morning.

There's a theory that Larisa is a regular town member, and Rimp is aggressive because he's immune to execution. In that case, you can probably execute Gur too. I don't believe that 0-1 Mafia players voted to execute a town member.

Shamrock looks cautious and supports one person, then another, possibly to avoid being noticed. But here, the chance that he's a Mafia player is even lower than with Gur.

I don't know what to say about the others.
Larisa
If 0xFF turns out to be a town member, then I will definitely enjoy hanging you.
If my town role is revealed only after execution, the town will already be 95% lost. There's no point in delaying; we need to act today. I'm ready to bet the whole game on the clues, even though there was already a failure.
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While I was thinking, I found the only thing that doesn't quite fit the theory about Ursula – why did she change her target from one town member to another yesterday, providing new clues?=[U]

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[/U]Oh, and I don't even know what to do with the Roulette Player; it's quite possible that a potential -1 vote for the town is much worse than an illusory chance to kill a Mafia player.
If there's still no certainty about Rimp's town role, you can try taking Gur, Rimp, and Kosh, but I probably wouldn't
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12 years ago
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RiMpel2
Sesam is asking for lists for the roulette. So that the Mafia and the roulette player don't end up on the same team. Seriously, she's been detrimental to the town the entire game, can't you see that?
So much anger and spitting venom directed at me. Is it love, perhaps? Like Vespers' love for Arcomage?
Well, yes, my hesitations yesterday caused more harm to the town than your "Let's quickly all vote against Vespers." Yeah, right. Doctor, disappear yourself first.
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12 years ago
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Oh, the 95% figure, which you've mentioned for the second time, did you just pull it out of thin air? Is this some kind of tactic to put pressure on the city? Why not just say "100% in Inferno"?
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12 years ago
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0xFF
Kosh could be executed today, if only for killing Morning.

There's a theory that Larisa is from a normal world, and Rimp is aggressive because he's unpunishable.
Alright, since we're already talking about this, I'll take a risk and lay my cards on the table; it can't get any worse.
Unpunishable isn't Rimp, it's Kosh. Do I need to explain, or will you take my word for it based on my "understanding of psychology"?

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