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Offline Roger DAltavilla
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Opponent did not show up for the Online Duel Day.
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23.01.2014 BISHOP(red, Tavern, Solmyr, Nila) def Diabler(blue, Citadel, Gurni, Gurni) Diamond 115

25.01.2014 BISHOP(blue, Fortress, Bron, Bron) def Diabler(red, Castle, Valya, Lacus) 8mm6a 215
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Thanks for the games!
I confirm! Thanks for the games:smile13:
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Redwhait HP def alexey-omsk
opponent did not show up for the single-elimination match
Congratulations on the well-deserved victory.
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25.01.2014 Tovariщ (Red, Swamp, Tazar, Tazar) def Dave (Blue, Castle, Kaitlin, Korvak) 8mm6a 213

Thx for the game.
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Лето 2013.
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Tovarish (red,fortress,tazar/tazar) vs Dave (blue,castle,caitlin/korbac) 1:0 at 213 on template 8mm6a
The templates i knew better were eliminated so i had to play on a template i didnt know very well.I got lost a little on the map,even though i had lvl 6 dwelling.I took a tope 141 but the opponent took 3 topes and collected 1,3k skeletons.GG
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Hello everyone, this week has been incredibly busy. Let's summarize the results of Round 64, the deadline for which was at the beginning of the week, but due to scheduling conflicts and other issues, I was waiting for the results of 4 matches until today. Redwhait_HP-alexey-omsk - nothing has changed here; the players were unable to agree on a convenient time for them within 3 weeks, so the result was determined by scheduling conflicts, and Redwhait_HP advances. R55max-Nitro - R55max had technical difficulties; he couldn't play earlier. The game is on a save file, and it's the third week of the second month. Nitro has a significant advantage, even according to R55max himself. They were supposed to finish the game on Wednesday, which I strongly disagreed with. Victory in this match is awarded to Nitro due to the opponent's failure to meet the deadline. Volodymyr-marajan - well done; as promised, they played one day later than the deadline, and they warned about it a week in advance. Tovariщ-Dave - also well done; there was a problem explaining the rules to Dave, but they eventually agreed on the HW_rules patch. Four players have already qualified for the main stage based on the qualification results! Excellent result and impressive progress - well done! The deadline for the final push to the main stage is February 24th, but only if three games are needed. Two games must be played by February 13th. If a third game is required to determine the winner, the deadline will be extended to February 24th. Please pay attention and report any difficulties to the organizers and the tournament judges. I will no longer inquire about the progress of each match individually and try to extract information from you. Please respect your own time and the time of others. I wish you good luck in the third round! ;)
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I would suggest, in your place, to offer those who don't have enough time to play until they win, to play only until one victory. It's not difficult to identify such players.
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R55max-Nitro - R55max had some technical difficulties, and he couldn't play before. The game is being played on a save file; it's the third week of the second month. Nitro has a significant advantage, even according to R55max himself. They were supposed to finish the game on Wednesday, which I strongly disagreed with. Victory in this match is awarded to Nitro due to the opponent's failure to meet the deadlines for the game.
I don't understand the wording of the decision. It doesn't reflect reality. We played on the 21st; at Nitro's initiative, the game was saved. Then we played on January 24th; you yourself gave additional dates for the game. During the game, Nitro said he had to leave and that we would continue later. I waited for almost 3 hours specifically. Then he came back, said he was tired, and suggested we continue tomorrow. Of course, I was unhappy that I had wasted so much time waiting, but I understood. We continued on January 25th, and again, at Nitro's initiative, the game was saved, although before that, I had played with Rebellious all day and was quite exhausted. And now you're telling me that I'm not meeting the deadlines? And it seems to be a one-sided decision...

An advantage is not always an advantage; in Heroes, the game can turn around in any way.

If you are making a decision based on the failure to meet the deadlines for the game, please consider what I have written. I'm curious how you based this decision on this point without knowing or asking me who agreed on what, who saved the game, and so on?
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I don't understand the wording of the ruling. It doesn't reflect reality. We played on the 21st, and at Nitro's initiative, we saved the game. Then we played on January 24th; you yourself offered additional dates for the game. During the game, Nitro said he had to leave and we would continue later. I waited for almost 3 hours specifically, then he arrived, said he was tired, and suggested we continue tomorrow. Of course, I was unhappy that I had wasted so much time waiting, but I understood. We continued on January 25th, and again, at Nitro's initiative, we saved the game, although before that, I had been playing with Rebellious all day and was quite tired. And now you're telling me that I'm not meeting the deadlines? And it's being decided unilaterally...

An advantage is not always an advantage; in Heroes, the game can turn around in any way.

If you are basing the result on the non-compliance with the game deadlines, please take into account what I have written. I'm curious how you based this ruling on this point without knowing or asking me who and how agreed, saved, etc.?
I guess it's about this?
R55Max (13:01:04 21/01/2014)
Authorization approved

Nitro (13:01:09 21/01/2014)
yay

R55Max (13:01:12 21/01/2014)
What's the deadline?

Nitro (13:01:16 21/01/2014)
until 20
P.S. We still need to finish the game. We've spent so much time on it.
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I guess you're talking about this?
R55Max (13:01:04 21/01/2014)
Authorization approved

Nitro (13:01:09 21/01/2014)
yay

R55Max (13:01:12 21/01/2014)
What's the deadline?

Nitro (13:01:16 21/01/2014)
until 20
P.S. We still need to finish the game. We've spent so much time on it.
You were wrong when you said that to me.
The deadline for RO 64 is until January 22, inclusive. I have no complaints about you, and I'm not blaming you for not finishing the game on time; don't worry about it. I was just surprised that I was supposedly the only one to blame for not finishing the game on time, and that's why I lost.

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I could have played at the very beginning, at the very start of the round, but we didn't contact each other. Then I wanted to contact you myself, but I did have some problems, including technical ones. I didn't even go to the forum for 4 days, and during that time you wrote to me that Nitro couldn't contact me, so when I came back, I tried to play as quickly as possible, but we didn't have time with these three saves.
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I don't quite understand the wording of the decision.
The deadline for Ro64 was January 22nd. You appeared on January 20-21 and stated that you were initially busy with other tournaments, and then your computer stopped working. Nitro was trying to contact you at that time and managed to schedule a game, which he informed me about. Given that the tournament was extended due to ODD and the language barrier, I decided not to immediately award a technical loss, especially since Nitro was ready to play, and you agreed on a game for Friday. You played a total of almost 7 weeks on HL+U, and in two days, I don't think you should complain about your opponent, but rather thank him for dedicating so much time to the game, which, with proper "pressure," he could have easily skipped. The fact that you wrote 6LM10A instead of some quick template, which could realistically be played in 7 weeks of game time, I consider to be solely your personal tactical miscalculation; this is my opinion. Initially, I wanted to decide based on the save files, which I told you and asked you to send, along with the password. In response, you said that if we look at the save files, we could declare Nitro the winner, but you have your own plan on how to win this game. At that moment, Nitro was not online in ICQ. I wrote to you that you should wait until the evening, and I would contact you later after I think it over. After 30 minutes, you left ICQ and did not appear again. Nitro came a little later (an hour after you left). There is no point in asking for save files from one player without the password of the second player. The next time you were both ready to continue was Wednesday (January 29th). Should I even say that it would be, to put it mildly, unfair to the other participants in the tournament to put them in strict timeframes and deadlines, while making an exception for you. Considering the above, I believe that the reason for the technical loss – missing the tournament deadline – is more than fair and understandable in all aspects.
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The deadline for RO64 was January 22nd. You showed up on January 20th-21st and said that you were busy with other tournaments at first, and then your computer stopped working. Nitro was trying to contact you at that time and managed to get in touch for a game, which he told me about. Given that the tournament was extended due to ODD and the language barrier, I decided not to immediately award a technical loss, especially since Nitro was ready to play, and you agreed on Friday. You played a total of almost 7 weeks on HL+U, and you did it in two days. I don't think you should complain about your opponent here, but rather thank him for dedicating so much time to the game, which, with proper "grinding," he might not have even played. The fact that you chose 6LM10A instead of a quick template that could actually be played in 7 weeks of game time, I consider to be solely your personal tactical miscalculation, that's just my opinion. Initially, I wanted to judge based on the saves, and I told you that and asked you to send the saves and password, to which you replied that if we look at the saves, we could declare Nitro the winner, but you said you have your own plan on how to win this game. Nitro wasn't online on Skype at that moment. I wrote to you that you should wait until the evening, and I would contact you later after I think it over. After 30 minutes, you left Skype and didn't show up again. Nitro came a little later (an hour after you left). There's no point in asking one player for saves without the second player's password. The next time you were both ready to continue was Wednesday (January 29th). Is it worth mentioning that it would be, to put it mildly, unfair to the other participants in the tournament to set strict deadlines for them and make an exception for you? Considering the above, I believe that the reason for the technical loss – missing the tournament deadline – is more than fair and understandable in all aspects.
But this isn't all the details. I'll explain again that the tournament allows not only those 5 days when I wasn't available but also other 8 days. The deadline was from the 9th to the 22nd! He didn't write to me until the 16th either. I'm saying that, in principle, we could have not played from the 17th to the 20th, inclusive! That's only 4 days of downtime from the moment he tried to contact me! It's not always possible to get in touch with everyone immediately and start playing. Many people agree on Monday to play on Saturday or Sunday. There could be other reasons; for example, he could have played on the 17th, and I could have played on the 18th, 19th, and he only on the 20th, and in the end, our common date could still have been only January 21st. That is, the player is not to blame for not being able to play on certain dates when his opponent can play. If Nitro had written earlier, and I had postponed it, that would be one thing, but it turned out that he wrote when I had a force majeure. The fact that he chose HL+U is not an argument. Remove these templates then, don't point out that they can't be chosen, or specify in the rules that HL+U should not be chosen if you start the game 3 days before the deadline, for example. Thirdly, during the game on the 3rd week, I misclicked and accidentally retreated with the entire army, except for the skeletons left with the scout, on some difficult mummies. The army was already quite large, and it all just disappeared. We would have simply finished the game on the 4th week, but the auto-win was not given for obvious reasons, so I had to grind the skeletons, and the game was prolonged. This is to say that the game would not have been prolonged if it hadn't been for the misclick, so there's no need to talk about miscalculations here either. Fourthly, as soon as we started playing, I tried my best to accommodate and meet the deadline. All the game saves up to the subsequent date were from the opponent. At this rate, we could have played, say, on the 16th or 17th (when he first got in touch), 19th, 21st, and still not finished in time if I hadn't had a force majeure. Therefore, in this situation, it is precisely your miscalculation in determining that I am solely to blame for the fact that we did not finish in time! Regarding the so-called "proper grinding" - This is the wrong approach on your part. I advise you not to talk about such things for your own good, because you might end up creating unnecessary organizational problems for yourself. Yes, he probably could have not played, but according to you, he should not have played on the 21st and 22nd even if he could have played on those days. By the way, on the 22nd, he couldn't continue and try to finish in time when I could have continued. This smells a bit fishy... So, according to your logic, whoever writes first is right, regardless of whether his opponent can play or not? This is wrong. I advise you to add the following point to the rules: 1. No later than 5 days after the start of each round, players must contact their opponents and agree on a date and time to start the game. - If the game is postponed, agree on a date to resume it. But for now, there's no mention of this. You are awarding a technical loss for missing the deadline, and I disagree with this. It's not true, and that's where my disagreement lies. If neither of us wrote to each other until the 16th, then from the 16th to the 20th, he could have played (hypothetically, all the days when I couldn't), and on the 21st and 22nd, I could have played (he had 3 hours; essentially, he couldn't). So, he wins because he could hypothetically play on more days. This is not how it's done. First of all, you need to consider the days when both players could play. Moreover, the tournament was extended, and this is definitely also an official permission and an invitation to play in the following days, during which we spent another 2 attempts on January 24th and 25th! In total, 3 attempts, and all of them were within the deadline because the extension also adds days to the tournament! You should first consider all 3 dates of the game that I wrote about above, that I tried to finish the game as much as possible! And now, when I spent almost a day of pure time on the game, you tell me that I didn't finish in time and that I am to blame? What the hell? Why then did I have to waste my time and my opponent's time (he could have been in my place, for example) if you are now starting to remember what happened before? This is again the wrong approach on your part. If you were awarding based on the save, I would have told you that Nitro has the advantage, but I can't say for sure how things really are. But you chose a different wording.
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Juristis
I missed him)
Great troll :D

P.S. Regarding who chose what. 6лм10а was chosen by the opponent, not by me. There was still a mini-nosta left, and it's often much faster to play.
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Yegor Korobeynikov
After this, I learned a lesson: If I can't play towards the end of the term (let's say, the last 2-3 days of the tournament) or if I have a bad relationship with my opponent, I should write in the online/offline chat every day to let them know when I can play. That way, they can't blame it all on me later. I've been holding this in, so I decided to vent. Pit and Duty, please don't delete this message.

Yes, I already realized that the opponent wasn't writing anything, and neither was I. As a result, I ended up being blamed. Moreover, the opponent specifically didn't want to play during the deadlines after we had already discussed it, and instead decided to win for free.
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